Gotta ask the DAL hat ???

[N2264J]

Re: Gotta ask the DAL hat?

How does a hat contribute to a PIC decision?

Really, as our industry spirals toward oblivion, someone is worried about hat hair.

For those who disregard the Ops Manual on the small stuff like uniform items or pulling out a newspaper on the flight deck, I recommend keeping a special IOE type eye on them because usually, their screwing up the important things as well.

 

[FBN0223]

Really, as our industry spirals toward oblivion, someone is worried about hat hair.

No worries at all. Just wear the uniform and hat if required.

If you fly internationally, you'll certainly find that the hat does make life easier. Firstly, it identifies you as a flight deck crew member. Many of the foreign carriers have flight attendants who wear three stripes on the shoulder, the real difference between pilot and FA uniforms is the hat. In many cases, I have found it easier getting through security, customs, flagging down the van and checking in at the hotel wearing the ole lid. Unlike the US, there's is still some respect given to those in our profession, especially in Asia.

As long as the paychecks keep coming, I'll wear whatever Delta wants. Keep it easy. FBN

 

[PCL_128]

This is pathetic. The profession is in the crapper and we're arguing about hats. Just put the damned thing on if it's required and stop whining. If it's not required, then do whatever the hell you want and stop telling me that my hat is "outdated."

 

[aa73]

The hat has pretty much become optional at AA these days. Can't blame us - we have the sorriest type of hats - Superior (pieces of crap) and the crappiest hat emblems, basically a patch that always ends up sideways.

On my last few int'l trips, I saw many foreign crews who didn't have any hats. Aerolineas Argentinas down in BA... a British Airways crew in JFK... and an Iberia crew in Barcelona. I think the hat is definitely going bye-bye world wide.

I do agree it looks sharp, but the trend is slowly disappearing. Airline pilots wearing their blazers still look plenty sharp.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Really, as our industry spirals toward oblivion, someone is worried about hat hair.

:laugh: :laugh:

For those who disregard the Ops Manual on the small stuff like uniform items or pulling out a newspaper on the flight deck, I recommend keeping a special IOE type eye on them because usually, their screwing up the important things as well.

That's very true!

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

Hats.........hmmmm........I know guys that look real professional in their hats and constantly fail checkrides.. Where I work we don't wear hats and there are a lot of professional pilots. The passengers don't care and they are paying a lot more money than those passengers on a Delta flight.

 

[nwaredtail]

So here we are again with one uniform, hats and a pay raise. Sign me up.

Come back after six months or so and tell us if your paychecks have actually gone up. Me thinks not!

 

[General Lee]

Hats.........hmmmm........I know guys that look real professional in their hats and constantly fail checkrides.. Where I work we don't wear hats and there are a lot of professional pilots. The passengers don't care and they are paying a lot more money than those passengers on a Delta flight.

That is fantastic that you know people who wear hats and "Constantly" fail checkrides......??? Huh? What is your point with the above? So, you don't wear hats and you DO HAVE PROFESSIONAL PILOTS? Again, that is awesome. ????????? You kinda sound like a "TARD."

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I've said this before. The hat is a psychological tool they use to gain control over you. Think of it as a puppeteer wielding an invisible psychological control over your way of thinking about your job.

Clearly, it has a profound effect on the General.

Outside of managerial coercion, it begins to fall more into the realm of fashion. Some guys like it for particular reasons (balding, feels it commands respect, for instance) and some don't. The ones that actually like it, wear it and defend it. Vice versa for the others.


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[slinky]

Incorrect. A double breasted jacket actually enhances a big gut. A traditional two or three button jacket is more slimming.


As for the folks talking about how the hat commands respect; That's BS too. What? Let's say there is an issue in the cabin on the ground and a hatless Captain comes back to address it. The misbehaving passenger doesn't respect the Captain. Then the Captain returns to the cockpit to don his hat and goes back to the passenger. Will the misbehaving passenger all of a sudden generate a newly found respect for the now hatted Captain? Give me a break! I'm all for wearing what your employer tells you. However, don't be so pretentious and say that a friggin' hat "commands respect". Or else you had better respect those Skycaps as an authority figure!

I hate to slam on people but the link you put in your post actaully talks about the SLIMMING effect of the double brested suits. Read it......

"The traditional view is that double-breasted makes one broader. Alan Flusser

disagrees: he contends that the swooping lapels of a double-breasted [COLOR=#d96c00! important][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=#d96c00! important][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]jacket[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR], from the tip of a peaked lapel down to two crossed points at the waist, create the illusion of height. This illusion, he argues, more than compensates for the impression of breadth achieved elsewhere."

Yes some parts of the article talk about how the short and fat look better in a single brested suit, but it is not difinitive.

slinky

 

[Tanker Clown]

When you look up gay in the dictionary it says: "Delta pilot in his uniform."

Don't get mad at me guys....get mad at Webster.

 

[aa73]

When you look up gay in the dictionary it says: "Delta pilot in his uniform."

Don't get mad at me guys....get mad at Webster.

No offense Tanker Clown but this coming from someone who has a naked dude in his avatar?

 

[waka]

I hate to slam on people but the link you put in your post actaully talks about the SLIMMING effect of the double brested suits. Read it......

"The traditional view is that double-breasted makes one broader. Alan Flusser

disagrees: he contends that the swooping lapels of a double-breasted [COLOR=#d96c00! important][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=#d96c00! important][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]jacket[/FONT][/FONT][/color][/color], from the tip of a peaked lapel down to two crossed points at the waist, create the illusion of height. This illusion, he argues, more than compensates for the impression of breadth achieved elsewhere."

Yes some parts of the article talk about how the short and fat look better in a single brested suit, but it is not difinitive.

slinky

I'm of the camp that thinks a double breasted suit fattens a fat person....not to mention that it makes you look like Captain Steubing

 

[waka]

This is pathetic. The profession is in the crapper and we're arguing about hats. Just put the damned thing on if it's required and stop whining. If it's not required, then do whatever the hell you want and stop telling me that my hat is "outdated."

Lighten up Francis.

What is really pathetic is you pointing out that this argument is pathetic. Is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to read the entire thread? If you don't like it, moving on is a click away.

Yeah, industry is in the crapper. Does that mean that all other topics are off limits Mr. Topic Police? What's next? "No laughing"?:laugh:

BTW;
Your hat.....it's outdated!

 

[PCL_128]

BTW;
Your hat.....it's outdated!

And you look like a male flight attendant without yours.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I've said this before. The hat is a psychological tool they use to gain control over you. Think of it as a puppeteer wielding an invisible psychological control over your way of thinking about your job.

Thy tie and the coat are the tools.

Do you wear your's?

They tell you to wear black shoes, too. So why don't you wear those cool brown one's you own, and show 'em whose the boss?

 

[waka]

And you look like a male flight attendant without yours.

touche'!

 

[KCPilot]

Now if we could only fire the cat loving bag ladies and get some hotties in the red dress! I'm dreaming.

Now you are talking!

 

[Tanker Clown]

No offense Tanker Clown but this coming from someone who has a naked dude in his avatar?

None taken.

 

[lear35pilot]

I'm with General Lee on this one. I'm not a Delta pilot, but I wear the hat at my airline. Many have said on here that people don't respect us when we wear the hat, but I have noticed a difference on how people treat me when I wear it. When I was a young kid walking through the airport and I saw a pilot wearing his uniform and it was sharp looking and they wore the hat and walked proud, I had a grave respect for them. The way I see some people wear their uniforms these days, I feel TSA looks better than some of our pilots. Speaking of which, I had a friend (pilot) that was mistaken for TSA by a passenger because they wear white shirts with epallets and so do we. Of course now they are supposed to get their blue shirts with badges. To the public eye image has a lot to do with this job. I do believe if more pilots looked more presentable and acted more presentable then we would be better respected.

 

[lear35pilot]

Wear it if required but most folks that say it commands respect or is an authority symbol are control freaks that have problems with just about everybody: Gate Agents, Flight Attendants, other pilots, ATC, ground crews, etc... and goes on and on and on.

Where I work, if somebody wears the hat and isn't a check airman, managment type, or an older Ex-Braniff, Eastern dude then they are probably a control freak or over the top anal. Either way it is not fun for the F/O.

The hat is dead.

I wear it and all the FO's that have flown with me seem to like me. The gate agents tell me I do a great job of informing them of what's going on with boarding and so forth. All the flight attendants seem to like me pretty well also. No one's called me a control freak.

 

[clippyrip]

People tell me I'm neat too.

 

[800Dog]

Really, as our industry spirals toward oblivion, someone is worried about hat hair.

For those who disregard the Ops Manual on the small stuff like uniform items or pulling out a newspaper on the flight deck, I recommend keeping a special IOE type eye on them because usually, their screwing up the important things as well.

Interesting, I typically find them to be the best pilots flying the line. They seem to have the "Big Picture" and have a firm grasp of the obvious stuff that you and your kind cannot seem to understand! Best of luck with your future as a yes voter, management wannabe and anti-pilot self!! You are too good to be a line pilot.

 

[Fit59]

Yup, gotta agree with the General on this one. The hat is company policy, just like the black shoes and epaulets... They are the ones paying you. You signed onto the job knowing that it involved wearing the uniform properly.

 

[~~~^~~~]

To quote from a recent meeting:

Nothing says "regional pilot" like a leather jacket and no hat.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I like the hat and need to find a source for those little elastic baggies that fit over the hat to provide all weather cap-ability for upcoming winter DTW and MSP walk arounds.

 

[SFR]

You guys worry about the dumbest things.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

.......

I'm with General Lee on this one. I'm not a Delta pilot, but I wear the hat at my airline. Many have said on here that people don't respect us when we wear the hat, but I have noticed a difference on how people treat me when I wear it. You get looks cause it looks funny and many pilots dont wear one. Perhaps this is why you get the stare, for WEARING one. Wearing hats in a service industry is kind of dated anyhow. When I was a young kid walking through the airport and I saw a pilot wearing his uniform and it was sharp looking and they wore the hat and walked proud, I had a grave respect for them. I felt the same way. The way I see some people wear their uniforms these days, I feel TSA looks better than some of our pilots. Some of the XJT guys look awful in their oversized shirts and baggy pants. Speaking of which, I had a friend (pilot) that was mistaken for TSA by a passenger because they wear white shirts with epallets and so do we.I'm not surprised if they get mistaken over at EWR (see aforementioned commment). Of course now they are supposed to get their blue shirts with badges. To the public eye image has a lot to do with this job. I do believe if more pilots looked more presentable and acted more presentable then we would be better respected. Unlikely, the public assumes you're FAA qualified and competent with regular medicals and training checks. With all of the other hassles and distractions involed with present day air travel, wondering how much (or if) they respect the pilot due to his hat is kind of ridiculous. These feelings and perceptions are all in your head.
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[SFR]

Why is it that a lot of regional pilots wear sunglasses on their head?

Is that cool or something?

 

[Smacktard]

A lot of people make fun of the "Russian Sub Commander" uniform, but in reality it looks good,

Double breasted suits are tough to pull off for most folks. For pilot uniforms, it's an even bigger stretch, for pilots in general (mostly big bellied) it's damn near impossible. When most of Delta's new hires were trim, fit military folk, it worked. But these days, in reality, most of the Delta guys can't pull it off and it doesn't look good. But that's just my opinion.

 

[WSurf]

and our profession demands respect.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Respect isn't something that is demanded! Respect is earned. Ones uniform isn't going to command respect!

How many of you have walked over to a soldier is uniform and thanked him for his service and all he has done to protect our freedom? Don't you think memebers of our armed services should get respect?

If our country doesn't have respect for its own servicemen and woman they sure as hell don't have respect for us.

However if you were hired by an Airline and it requires you to wear the hat, then be RESPECTFUL and wear it. By you not wearing it shows total disrespect to others that do respect the uniform policy.


And remember to thank a ArmedForces servicemen while flying today. They really do appreciate the attention and they will Respect you for doing it.]

I would like to throw some more "respects" out there, but I gotta fly and try and earn more respect today. LOL