Good or bad for Avantair?

[myrealnameis]

Trying to find their place in the market ??? There's either a market or this is not. You should typically have that figured out BEFORE you go in to business.

Your not understanding what I said. "Finding their place in the market" means there is a market out there. Alright let me put it this way. There is always a top and bottom of any business. If you could tell me with any degree of certainty how well any business will do before you actually start one, then I assume you don't have to fly for a living. There are so many variables in any aviation business these days there is alway gonna be someone at the top who can pick and chose their customers and those left picking up the scraps at the bottom.

 

[h25b]

There is always a top and bottom of any business. If you could tell me with any degree of certainty how well any business will do before you actually start one, then I assume you don't have to fly for a living.

Never applied for a business loan have you.... It's called a business plan and within it is what's called a market analysis. So yes, you usually do have to have a pretty good idea of where the market for your product/service lies before you go in to it. I think there's a market for Avantair, I just don't think it is as big as they're counting on. The business plan is evidently being very poorly executed. They had to have had financial backing from someone they've convinced of the market and have obviously attracted more. My guess would be that they've tapped out the P180 market and the new backers have figured they need to expand the market in to jets. Between FLIOPS, NetJets, and CitationShares the jet market from the traditional aircraft manufacturers is pretty much sewn up, hence the order from a new entrant Embraer.

Now, if you think for a minute they are not in competition with those others you are doomed to fail before you start because that's not how the others are looking at it I assure you. You are going after the same section of client. People who want X number of hours of private aircraft travel. They are a finite number of customers that the P180 serves. This is the same reason why you don't see NetJets just operating the Citation X. The have different fleets serving the various demographics and customer demands. So far they are staying away from the VLJ's because they've figured that the size of the market won't support the margins necessary to increase the economies of scale involved in adding an additional fleet type. (ie crew training, maintenance support, customer support, dispatch, etc...)

 

[BoeingBaller]

The sky is not falling chicken littles. STFU!!!

 

[CaptainJaguar]

Ok, all I know is that the Piaggio is probably one of the worst airplanes to do fractional business with. Who ever started this company probably liked the airplane b/c it looks cool and it's "fast" but didnt have any idea that the Piaggio will break and break and break if you try to fly it like a God*amn airliner!! This is what's going to kill this company. Especially if it already has problems making money. The airplanes have to fly and fly and fly, they can't sit. If airplanes sit they make no money, but unfortunately the piaggio will break and break and break, and therefor the company will have to pay and pay and pay for parts. Which last I heard they've had problems doing.

 

[HA25]

the Piaggio will break and break and break if you try to fly it like a God*amn airliner!!

Have you heard of the Citation X?

They're ALL not meant to be flown like airliners.. the CE500 series, and EMB-Legacy being possible exceptions.

 

[Flybet3]

Have you heard of the Citation X?

They're ALL not meant to be flown like airliners.. the CE500 series, and EMB-Legacy being possible exceptions.

BAM!!

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Your not understanding what I said. "Finding their place in the market" means there is a market out there. Alright let me put it this way. There is always a top and bottom of any business. If you could tell me with any degree of certainty how well any business will do before you actually start one, then I assume you don't have to fly for a living. There are so many variables in any aviation business these days there is alway gonna be someone at the top who can pick and chose their customers and those left picking up the scraps at the bottom.

You must be real dumb. That whole post shows a total lack of understanding about business.

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[Flybet3]

You must be real dumb. That whole post shows a total lack of understanding about business.​

BAM BAM!!

 

[myrealnameis]

You must be real dumb. That whole post shows a total lack of understanding about business.​

Go ******************** yourself

 

[Noodles]

Why do all these Avantair threads always turn in to name calling?

I think all that was looked at when the Piaggio was purchased was that it's fast (for a turboprop), fuel effecient, and has unique looks. No one seems to have looked past that into such things as manufacturers support, parts support, or who can, or would, work on these things.

In my opinion, this company can not survive with the way things are currently being run. This new company buying out Avantair is simply throwing money into a bottomless hole....

 

[Flybet3]

In my opinion, this company can not survive with the way things are currently being run. This new company buying out Avantair is simply throwing money into a bottomless hole....

Ouch!

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Go ******************** yourself

Man, the truth kills some people. Must be tough.

 

[HA25]

Man, the truth kills some people. Must be tough.

yea, but all too often we here at Flightinfo.com wallow in others misery too, so he's probably on the defensive.

 

[myrealnameis]

Man, the truth kills some people. Must be tough.

You took a perfectly innocent post, and turned it into an attack on me for no reason. Your past posts support this fact.

 

[HA25]

guys, guys... would we all be at each others throats so much these days as brother pilots were it not for the F'ed up job market we're all in together? Rather than get angry at each other, channel this energy at the greedy SOB's that have run our industry into the ground (all the while the number of people traveling are at an all time high).. the MisManagers of our respective airlines, or what ever type outfit you work at!

Enough of the attacks on each other!

 

[brewerdog]

cant we all just get along