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[Fracster]

There is little or no misrepresentation or slander. We tell the truth about NJA on this board. Comments like "NJA sucks" are purely subjective but the rest of what we post is true.

Life on the road, screw ups from dispatch and scheduling, information relayed to us from management...all true.

 

[Some Dude]

I think this is the fifth or sixth management team since I have been here. I know every one just jumps up for joy and hugs each other when a new team comes in. I know everyone at Fort Fumble just loves when their departments are rearranged with each new management team. I give Boisture two years then someone new will be here and all the good people in Fort Fumble will have to figure out how to answer to another management team. I feel sorry for my friends at Fort Fumble.

 

[Lrjet55]

I will admit when I heard Boisture was coming I expected great things. The fifedoms would end, we would become extrememly effecient and moral would go up.

Its sad very little has changed. Like I have said before, NJA was truly a fun job a few years ago. I do miss it.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I know many who are pissed off at you for misrepresenting and slandering this company.

YES!! THAT MUST HAVE JUST HIT THAT NAIL ON THE HEAD!

-The pilots are to blame for EVERYTHING!!


Seems to work for you anyway.

This company is being mismanaged from the top down. Nothing new... What is new is that the front line employees who used to cover the train wreck in a cloud of smoke are no longer doing so. Ugly is as ugly does now.

Oh yeah. And SLANDER is not possible in this medium.

Slander is a spoken defamation.

Libel is a published or broadcast false and defamatory statement which damages the reputation of an individual.

Libel is not technically possible since it can only be performed by an individual against another individual. NJA is hardly an individual.

What you are feeling is disagreement with an OPINION. OPINIONS are free given here on these message boards all the time. A message board is hardly the medium (like a newspaper or CNN) to commit slander or libel.

 

[DO-82 driver]

My post still stands....and every NJA pilot who frequents this room knows the truths involved. This is not the venue to name name specifically......We have a BH Ethics Hotline for that and we have internal company proceedures.

 

[FamilyGuy]

DO-82 -- I can only speak to a few facts:

Possible Fact: the average owner services person has been here 4-5 months. As disclosed by a VP from my last Company Recurrent.

Actual Fact: Of the 5 people I deal with on my team, 3 have bene on my team atleast 3 years (I am scratching my head for exact times) and 2 are less than 1 year. That still averages out to well over 2 years per person. I can not speak for any other team but mine.QUOTE]

There are several interesting possibilities here:

1. VP doesn't know what he's talking about.

2. VP is lying (shudder!!!) to the troops in Recurrent.

3. NJA Owner's experience is the exception to the rule.

Time for a poll? (Just kidding).

Here's some more possibilities:

4. VP was misquoted.

5. VP was misunderstood.

 

[Lie_n_wait01]

Owner huh???

Thank you acaTerry and Publishers. Plus I do not think that FRACster is a NJA pilot.

Fly safe.

Well we wonder if you are really an owner????
GOT YA!!!!!!!!

 

[Lie_n_wait01]

Forget something

Coming up to this July 4th, Independence Day, we are thankful for all who have given to defend freedom and this nation.

You forgot to thank those Pilots who you seem to love so dearly.

 

[NJdispatcher]

You really shouldn't be posting when your drunk, it makes you look like an idiot

 

[NJAowner]

Hey Lie n Wait ---

Well we wonder if you are really an owner????
GOT YA!!!!!!!!

You are only about 3 years late on this one. Only 200 or 300 posts similar to yours. If your wonderin' check with your shop steward who used to piost regularly here. That is if you are a NJA pilot and know the shop stewards.

You forgot to thank those Pilots who you seem to love so dearly.

Done that quite often on the board, and at the end of every flight.

Fly safe.

 

[Semore Butts]

Thanks, your welcome

Dang Owner!

Kinda makes you wish you would have said nothing!

Glad to see that you have realized that your encounter with the Sh*tty crew seems to have ben an isolated incident.

Thank you for being greatful for my service to the country, it means alot to have the folks at home backing us.

I had hoped that the contract would be done prior to my next deployment. Time will tell.

Again, thanks for the original positive comment on me and my brethren pilots. Thanks for your continueing support for the troops at home and abroad.

Finally, may those in managment that are trying to exploit my family from all the money they can as a "strictly business", "nothing personal", rot in hell. (nothing business, stricly personal)

May their families experience what our families have.

 

[NJAowner]

Recent flights

I have probably had 8 flights in the past 6 weeks +/-. All crews have been great -- many even had a sense of humor (which was gone for a while).

Thanks for many safe flights and many more to come.

 

[Lie_n_wait01]

You, my friend, are a total dork. You are an embarrassment to all corporate pilots. Regardless of whatever struggle you are going through, you are (or a supposed to be) a professional. Act like one. This ‘guy’ you are insulting and have so much disdain for, is the bread and butter of our industry. How would you like it if your surgeon called you a little baby because you wanted all these silly scared questions asked before he cut into your body. Or if your shrink called you whiner for having so many problems. Our job is to make these peoples lives happier and more convenient. If it were just about safety, they could go fly on American or United. Get a clue.



Again, if you have so much animosity towards ‘rich’ people, then get another job. Read the headlines: private jets are paid for by rich people!



Ace

Ace of base...Have You Seen The Sign!!
I agree with you about Fracsters approach with the bashing of NJAowner. It was the wrong approach as he, as you stated, is a professional. However the man (im assuming) does have many validate points. I worked at an FBO for many years and saw owners who would complain about this and that without any understanding of the system and how it works. I have seen pilots jump in rental cars or take the crew cars and go get the catering themselves due to understaffing, busy periods, or inadequate, meaning type of personnel, staffing in general. I have seen pilots sit in FBOs all day waiting for owners to finalize there daily schedule all the while explaining crew time, duty time, M.e.l.s (meaning they cant fly at night), explaining that their airport of choice closes at a certain time, fuel airplanes themselves, do lavs, Clean up puke, etc. etc. etc. Only then to have owners (not necessarily EJA) spit, scream, holler, literally throw temper tantrums all in an attempt to get there way. I have to admit in Fracsters defense that just because in their world the world revolves around them in no way means that in our world, meaning the real world, it does the same.
Now i am smart enough to realize that these owners spend literally MILLIONS of dollars, money most of us here will probably never have the opportunity to experience, on there planes with one idea in mind. The idea that they can and will go where they want when THEY WANT TO!!!, and I readily agree. I mean if I order a 15 dollar pizza with a guarantee that it will be here in 30 minutes or less....IT HAD BETTER BE HERE IN 15 MINUTES OR LESS!!! Or I'm getting it for free, and that’s only 15 bucks!!!!! Yet in the grand scream of things does my rational hurt or hinder the system? That pizza guy (pilot) who just got b-slapped by me (owner) is now going to have a, poopy, day and only go on to piss off more owners (perhaps). My point being that it is just as important for the owner to understand the plight of the pilot as it is for the pilot to understand the plight of the owner. With that I must side with the pilot in the understanding part. I think that you both have very valid points.

 

[Lie_n_wait01]

There is little or no misrepresentation or slander. We tell the truth about NJA on this board. Comments like "NJA sucks" are purely subjective but the rest of what we post is true.

Life on the road, screw ups from dispatch and scheduling, information relayed to us from management...all true.

Fractster..inregards to your comment on, well, without directly giving away my position within the company, shall i say Operations? Let me say that the whole dispatch comment really ought to be rethought. In the dispatchers defense...They are extremely understaffed with programs that routinely fail, Schedulers that cant seem to keep the schedule straight, and pilots, YES PILOTS, who seem to think that 4,000 pounds of fuel on a 30 minute flight to KOMA just isn’t enough!!!!!!
"Ahhhhh how about 4500 hundred pounds" is often the response, I mean come on!!!!! Now this happens all the time!!! This is just another release that the dispatchers must go and RE-RELEASE. It’s pretty simple really. Just re-run the entire flight plan. Now relax I know I sound sarcastic but plz, I have some very good friends in dispatch so I have inside information that says the problem is not incompetency rather lack of proper funding. And I don’t mean necssecarily mean from a financial stand point. If you are truly and indeed a pilot thanks for all the hard work, and I hope the understanding.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Hey Lie n Wait ---

Well we wonder if you are really an owner????
GOT YA!!!!!!!!

You are only about 3 years late on this one. Only 200 or 300 posts similar to yours. If your wonderin' check with your shop steward who used to piost regularly here. That is if you are a NJA pilot and know the shop stewards.

You forgot to thank those Pilots who you seem to love so dearly.

Done that quite often on the board, and at the end of every flight.

Fly safe.

Shop steward???? I think we got rid of them 10 years ago or more. Anyone...?

NJOwner, you had me fooled you were real, until now.

 

[NJAowner]

Yes -- steward

Hey CrawDad --

yes -- there used to be on every frequent poster on this board who I believe has stopped posting on advice of union counsel now that he is a "shop steward".

You had me fooled that you were a NJA pilot until now.

 

[cgmason1]

Hey CrawDad --

yes -- there used to be on every frequent poster on this board who I believe has stopped posting on advice of union counsel now that he is a "shop steward".

You had me fooled that you were a NJA pilot until now.

Funny how defensive you are and how quick you are to reply to anyone that does not think you are a Netjets Owner. You would think that you would just blow such comments off.

I could give a rats a$$ but it is sad if you aren't and post stuff under that profile name for whatever reason.

Fly Safe
Chuck

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Hey CrawDad --

yes -- there used to be on every frequent poster on this board who I believe has stopped posting on advice of union counsel now that he is a "shop steward".

Well, that one got solved quickly. Just got an IM confirming your status vis-à-vis NJA. You probably know who sent it but he asked not to say on the board.

The term "Shop Steward" threw me because it is so passé here. We haven't been using that term since our first MEC. Still, friends in other non aviation unions throw the term about the same way they do when they ask me "How many passengers do you carry?" or "What's your route?" Clues that they don't know what they're talking about. Though I may be picking up a mail route down here before long if things don't shape up back in CMH. I never thought it would come to this. Knew it wouldn't never be The Greatest Job in Aviation but never thought they wouldn't fill the new hire classes with meat for the seats.