Good Luck to the Frontier Pilots

[av88tor]

The funny thing about the whole argument is that enough if FAPA and SWAPA had come to an agreement that night I don't think that SWA would have won the bid. There seemed to be alot of other factors that killed the deal, not just the pilots not agreeing.

 

[StaySeated]

That is the proposal, and we apparently will continue to interpret the furlough language differently.

It isn't a very complex scenario. F9 has 56 furloughed and would furlough at least another 120. Those pilots would remain FAPA pilots with FAPA as their bargaining agent. Eventually, the buses get phased out and the active FAPA pilots transition to SWA.

What happens when all of the buses are gone, and all of the active FAPA pilots are now at SWA? Does FAPA still exist? If so, how? Why would the FAPA furloughes treated differently than the active pilots? Why wouldn't the furloughes become SWAPA pilots on day one, just like the first active FAPA pilots that transition over?


We have already gone in circles on this a few times. I am not sure why "gup" would consider my post vindictive. I am just expressing what was one of the major concerns about the proposal. As several other people have posted here and SWAPA president has commented during an interview, the SWA bid was in trouble as early as Tuesday and the unions didn't even meet until Wednesday. It didn't happen, end of story.

It sounds like you guys have your eyes on Sun Country, and we have our own circus with RAH.

Best of luck to everyone.

 

[StaySeated]

The funny thing about the whole argument is that enough if FAPA and SWAPA had come to an agreement that night I don't think that SWA would have won the bid. There seemed to be alot of other factors that killed the deal, not just the pilots not agreeing.

I agree, and have stated that this wasn't killed by one side or the other, it just self-destructed.

 

[learherkjay]

Yup - when Republic wiped the 150 million in debt from the books it gave all creditors .18 on the dollar vs. .12 on the dollar with SWA's bid.

In the end, it was about money regardless of what we expert pilots think...

 

[crashpad]

Now F9 Pilots must shift their thinking from a seniority# with a Big Boy,
to "Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before".

 

[FatesPawn]

StaySeated,

I agree with your perceptions. That's why SWAPA wanted to start with the fence agreement - to address exactly those issues. They pushed for that all along, but when pressured by everyone, we had to sit down and try to hammer out an SLI in 4 hours. How ludicrous was that? I think the primary concern with "FAPA remaining their bargaining agent" was DFR issues. That's up to the lawyers though.

I do hope things work out for you over at RAH. Nobody at SWA has any hard feelings about the deal.

-fate

 

[Richard Gozinya]

This deal might not be dead..........

 

[shagadelic]

Apparently Gary Kelly thinks we are going to get another swing at this deal. My guess is 49% this time, while BB keeps the airbuses and employees.