Good CRJ preflights

[anon]

It's important to be safe during periods if stress and when being pushed for time.

What are some of the things often missed on safe and complete preflights on the CRJ?

How about all of those unexplained fluid streaks on the aft fuselage. Is there an oil or hydraulic leak somewhere?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

broken grounding straps under the spoilers. Missing placards. unmarked dings on the fuselage.

 

[Edge540]

Haven't seen it in person yet, but I have been told that is extremely easy to not notice a flat nose wheel tire, due to their low profile.

 

[FishandFly]

any damage to the main pax door seal area, usually caused by closing door without red strap attached

ground straps:
main pax door - under top step on right side
all access panels
all gear door panels
under spoilers and spoilerons
ailerons and flaps

any holes in radome clear adhesive cover

hairline cracks in main pax door hinge

aileron and flap seals

caulking required around outside of nav light housing

chain that holds gas cap on

any dings or significant scratches on leading edge

any dings or scratches on fan blades

Placards that are commonly missing or damaged:
oxy door
nose gear door
adg door

Any cut in tires. Don't be a mechanic and dig into the cut to try and find chord, that is not your job. Have a mechanic sign off on it even if you're at an outstation.

Oil splatter on FDR, viewable from vents at very rear behind aft equip bay door.

Cockpit:
2 replacement fuses behind FO are always broken/missing.

visible moisture coming from air vents means the "socks" that filter the air are old and moldy. If captain says anything otherwise tell him you refuse to breath moldy air all day and you're writing it up whether he likes it or not. This is not a joke, ask the mechanics to show you the sock and you'll know what I mean

all cockpit lights must work

yoke writing pad angle adjustment is always busted.

don't fly with 7 year old seats that are so uncomfortable you need a chiropractor after a day of flying

any and all unusual status and caution messages on the taxi out. You should NOT feel comfortable with your captain pulling out his dandy magic circuit breaker list. It is not his job nor yours to pull circuit breakers unless directed to do so by mx or emergency.

NOSE WHEEL SHIMMY ON TAKEOFF!
I had one shimmy once, wrote it up and found that it had not been installed correctly.

It is also extremely important to understand that a discrepancy is a discrepancy whether you find it at C23 or at an outstation. Do not wait until "we get back to atl" to have something checked out. That is why we have outsourced mx at outstations.

Besides safety, another good reason to follow this rule is that it has happened numerous times where the FO will do the walkaround, only to have a fed preflight after the FO and find things wrong.

It is not worth the risk, and our company has acknowledged and reinforced that strongly by the latest bulletins stating that ALL discrepancies MUST be written up.

 

[BoilerUP]

The BATT ON and PARK BRAKE ON lights on the Exterior Services Panel aren't MELable...but I'd guess most airlines carry spare bulbs in the airplane.

Found that out one day and we weren't even trying to find stuff to write up..

 

[ASARJMan]

Yeahhhhhhhh ya'll do know what to do!

 

[McNugent]

What do we need to do so I can start doing it?!? I want to do what I'm suppossed to do, but I don't know what to do so I cant do it!

 

[Jmoney]

Checl it out!

Nosewheel steering placard....
Pitch disc handle placard "pull and turn"
Grounding strap on nosewheel doors


Here is the king daddy of them all:

The static strips on the radome....
Those strips are made up of little metal discs......if one is missing, the plane is done..... Tolerance is zero-I repeat-ZERO.

These things are held in place by epoxy, but if you can feel that the epoxy is missing out of the channel on the side of these strips, there is an excellent chance that some of these discs are missing!.... Non MEL-able- Non CDL-able-Plane is done!

-This is VERY COMMON-seek and ye shall find!

 

[SplitBar]

any damage to the main pax door seal area, usually caused by closing door without red strap attached

ground straps:
main pax door - under top step on right side
all access panels
all gear door panels
under spoilers and spoilerons
ailerons and flaps

any holes in radome clear adhesive cover

hairline cracks in main pax door hinge

aileron and flap seals

caulking required around outside of nav light housing

chain that holds gas cap on

any dings or significant scratches on leading edge

any dings or scratches on fan blades

Placards that are commonly missing or damaged:
oxy door
nose gear door
adg door

Any cut in tires. Don't be a mechanic and dig into the cut to try and find chord, that is not your job. Have a mechanic sign off on it even if you're at an outstation.

Oil splatter on FDR, viewable from vents at very rear behind aft equip bay door.

Cockpit:
2 replacement fuses behind FO are always broken/missing.

visible moisture coming from air vents means the "socks" that filter the air are old and moldy. If captain says anything otherwise tell him you refuse to breath moldy air all day and you're writing it up whether he likes it or not. This is not a joke, ask the mechanics to show you the sock and you'll know what I mean

all cockpit lights must work

yoke writing pad angle adjustment is always busted.

don't fly with 7 year old seats that are so uncomfortable you need a chiropractor after a day of flying

any and all unusual status and caution messages on the taxi out. You should NOT feel comfortable with your captain pulling out his dandy magic circuit breaker list. It is not his job nor yours to pull circuit breakers unless directed to do so by mx or emergency.

NOSE WHEEL SHIMMY ON TAKEOFF!
I had one shimmy once, wrote it up and found that it had not been installed correctly.

It is also extremely important to understand that a discrepancy is a discrepancy whether you find it at C23 or at an outstation. Do not wait until "we get back to atl" to have something checked out. That is why we have outsourced mx at outstations.

Besides safety, another good reason to follow this rule is that it has happened numerous times where the FO will do the walkaround, only to have a fed preflight after the FO and find things wrong.

It is not worth the risk, and our company has acknowledged and reinforced that strongly by the latest bulletins stating that ALL discrepancies MUST be written up.

Stu, I thought you got out of 200 training? Don't forget the pen holders. :laugh:

 

[VeeOne]

The "L" seals (caulking) that runs vertically up the leading edge of the wing is always missing. Only certain zones can have excessive "L" seals missing. Consult your CDL for a better explanation than I can give here.

Plastic aileron to wing seal is always cracked and separating from the aileron. If moisture got in there and froze at altitude it could possible break off in flight- what if it jammed the aileron???

Hmmmm, still looking for other thourough walk around items...........

 

[Willy21]

On the 700 if the forward bag bin floor doeas not lock into place they have to pin the floor or defer the entire bin. (good luck finding a pin and on flights with a lot of bags some get left behind, at ASA that is the norm anyway) When I was flying the 700 almost every other bin was this way.

 

[LJ45]

check the gear doors! They do crack and fall off sometimes.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

O2 placard not required for flight. Found out this today. others are. Gaurded power switch on fueling panel-the gaurd can't be missing or broken. This problem requires replacing the entire panel.

 

[Flyer1015]

I only wanted to post right here so we could get two clowns, back-to-back.

 

[CheeseHead13]

Here's one you all forgot. Haha, this happened to me once. After my preflight, about 10 minutes to boarding, I was shooting the breeze with the captain when I noticed a plastic bag floating by his side window. I said, "What the F was that?" He's like, "Is someone trying to get our attention?" Then I said, "Or a plastic bag is melted to our pitot tube." It was a windy gusty day and sure enough a plastic bag was stuck to the pitot tube (P3). Round trip canceled!

 

[CheeseHead13]

Deleted

 

[HelloNewman]

So are you pricks doing this all the time, nor only when you are in contract negotiations? My guess is only during contract time. What a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Easy killer.

 

[FishandFly]

So are you pricks doing this all the time, nor only when you are in contract negotiations? My guess is only during contract time. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Are you that guy who's named on peoples' signatures, known as the village idiot?

 

[FishandFly]

O2 placard not required for flight. Found out this today. others are. Gaurded power switch on fueling panel-the gaurd can't be missing or broken. This problem requires replacing the entire panel.

Who told you this? I'm definitely not the expert, but I thought if it is installed on the airplane it is supposed to be there unless the MEL says you can go without it.

Can some people give clarification on this..

 

[HelloNewman]

Are you that guy who's named on peoples' signatures, known as the village idiot?

Irrelevant. Why do pilots only check this stuff when it is contract time? It is quite hypocritical. Use common sense when you do a walk around for christs sake. Basically the message is that pilots only really care about safety when it is contract time.

 

[FishandFly]

Irrelevant. Why do pilots only check this stuff when it is contract time? It is quite hypocritical. Use common sense when you do a walk around for christs sake. Basically the message is that pilots only really care about safety when it is contract time.

Sorry, you just sounded like a prick in your original post.

A large amount of this inspiration actually comes from our FOM (which stands for flight operations manual). The FOM is a 300 page contract between the employee and the company. If you break any of the declarations in the FOM, they would blame you.

The company has recently issued us memos that we are to write up all discrepancies, and that we are no longer to "play" mechanic by deciding for ourselves if it is legal or not.

That means: If there is a discrepancy you write it up.

Hope that helps clear up your confusion.

By the way, who made you king to declare hypocrisy? Sound's to me like you are the hypocrite when you tell the fed you don't listen to your ipod..

hellonewman:
Simple solution only read or use the ipod when there is no FAA person, check airmen, or even a regular guy in the jumpseat. What they don't know can't hurt them.

 

[Jmoney]

Incorrect...

Irrelevant. Why do pilots only check this stuff when it is contract time? It is quite hypocritical. Use common sense when you do a walk around for christs sake. Basically the message is that pilots only really care about safety when it is contract time.

You have included a logical flaw in your argument there Hello-tard....

If it were true that I only cared about writing stuff up when it is contract time, then logic would also dictate something else about me....

Your logic dictates that someone like myself with an eye for detail and quick wit to match may only care about abusing those with the mental acuity and intelligence to defend themselves.

However-observe as I screw with you, despite the fact that you are weak, stupid, and mentally fragile-in other words, when the pickings are easy.....

You sir, are the prototypical moron! You are such a huge moron that multiple people here actually quote the moronic things you write in their own signatures to mock you! You are the type of moron that other lesser morons can only hope to become if they suffer
the misfortune of being dropped on their heads from heights in excess of 12 ft.!

So you see, there Hello-Tard, I don't always wait for a challenge, sometimes I take the easy way out and go for the low-hanging fruit-yourself!

-Perhaps the Noid should have avoided your Mom-you wouldn't exist!
-F-Tard!!!

 

[ASARJMan]

Why do pilots only check this stuff when it is contract time? .

Because we CAN a-hole!

 

[wrightflyer]

With that much time cant you guys move onto a legacy? Instead of making travel harder for the flying passenger.
I know their hiring since you guys are all whining that everybody is leaving. Which I thought was supposed to be a good thing.

I’m unhappy here myself so you know what I’m doing? I’m moving onto bigger and better things.

 

[FishandFly]

That's a genius idea. Ready everybody, let's all just leave. Whoever takes our jobs can deal with having no contract.

 

[FishandFly]

On a serious note, for a 40 year old you are not showing much wisdom.

The legacy carrier you speak of has what they have because of employees trying to raise the bar over the past 50 years. If everyone had your mentality no job would ever improve because the company would have no incentive to do so.

If you could have "your" perfect world and delete every strike and job action that has occurred in history, what would you have now?

 

[Jmoney]

Thanks!

With that much time cant you guys move onto a legacy? Instead of making travel harder for the flying passenger.
I know their hiring since you guys are all whining that everybody is leaving. Which I thought was supposed to be a good thing.

I’m unhappy here myself so you know what I’m doing? I’m moving onto bigger and better things.

WOW!
Your thoughtful insights are truly mind-blowing! You are a damn genius! File an application somewhere else? Apply for a better job?

I had never thought of either of those two things! You are gifted!!! I think I will call everyone I know and tell all of them to get off their lazy butts and get better jobs!

Are you really stupid enough to imagine that no one here is trying?

-Just Damn!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Are you that guy who's named on peoples' signatures, known as the village idiot?

Yup, that's him.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Another valuable flightinfo thread gone to crap....

Back to the original topic - what are you guys looking for when checking the landing gear strut extension? I can't find any guidance in our FOM, or reference manual...