GoJets

[35off]

Reply to RICFA

Not to support any comments from Ho jet guys, but RICFA I have to let you know that you are wrong in stating we do not have reduced overnights scheduled. And even if we did not, why would you brag about that. Reduced Rest can equal more time off (not always). I am fairly senior in STL and have to tell you I just had a reduced BNA at 8:46 scheduled. RR is good if scheduled properly. Example if I am holding 15 days off and someone is holding 11 days off and we fly 85 hours. This means I am spending less time on the road for the same pay. i.e. less rest on the road (and or better utilization). This can also make trips commutable. Start late the 1st day. RR the 3rd day and finish the 4th by 1pm.

Anyway I'll stop rambling.

As far as Ho jet guys. Think what you will but what I am about to tell you is 100 % true.

This is direct from the mouth of a major airline recruiter whom I know. I asked said person if ho jet guys can continue on with no ramification. Said person said "I would advise anyone against this, I know I will not advance their resume and besides if they did slip through cracks it would be hard to do as we post their (resume)places of employment on a board for our crews to comment on. We have a lot of TSA guys here."

End quote. Call me a liar, whatever, but I am not a person who posts all the time here pumping crap. This is the gods honest truth.

So good luck to you and to anyone considering go jet I would think long and hard. I'll admit it sounds attractive, CPT of a 70 seater, quick PIC. Problem is if you apply to other airlines will it come back to bite you? Even if it was a slim chance would you want to chance the years and money you have invested in yourself? I came to the conclusion that it would not be worth the risk.

 

[fuelflow]

How is all of this upgrading possible from a company that hasn't even been in existence for a year and has a combined total of maybe 150 pilots? More misinformation from the trash of flightinfo and the airways.

The upgrade course at GoJet is roughly 10 days long. There is no misinformation here. From what I hear, GoJet has higher Captain attrition, and TSA has higher FO attrition (as a percentage). Looking at the guys talking about interviews at GoJet, I don't see the Captain attrition trend slowing down anytime soon.

It is just unbelievable to me that there are people that actually believe that working for GoJet will stop the careers of their pilots. They get all their information talking to their misinformed friends or reading this message board, and now they are subject experts. Then they become shocked when they hear that GoJet pilots' careers progress no differently from anyone else's.

 

[fuelflow]

As far as Ho jet guys. Think what you will but what I am about to tell you is 100 % true.

This is direct from the mouth of a major airline recruiter whom I know. I asked said person if ho jet guys can continue on with no ramification. Said person said "I would advise anyone against this, I know I will not advance their resume and besides if they did slip through cracks it would be hard to do as we post their (resume)places of employment on a board for our crews to comment on. We have a lot of TSA guys here."

End quote. Call me a liar, whatever, but I am not a person who posts all the time here pumping crap. This is the gods honest truth.

So good luck to you and to anyone considering go jet I would think long and hard. I'll admit it sounds attractive, CPT of a 70 seater, quick PIC. Problem is if you apply to other airlines will it come back to bite you? Even if it was a slim chance would you want to chance the years and money you have invested in yourself? I came to the conclusion that it would not be worth the risk.

Sure. We've heard that one before from CAL, Southwest, etc., yet we have people going to those places without problems. It's the same old song and dance.

Now, if your "friend" is a recruiter at this big airline, and you are a senior Captain as you said in your post, why haven't you gone there? I'm not saying you are lying...it just sounds funny. Are you sure this isn't something someone told you in the crew room? And he actually said "slipped through the cracks" like what everyone has been saying on this message board? Maybe he surfs the regional boards here at flightinfo! And you remember his conversation enough that he forgot to say the word "resume", like you transcribed it?

This stuff cracks me up. It's all the entertainment I can stand for the next few weeks.

Adios -

FF

 

[redbook]

It is just unbelievable to me that there are people that actually believe that working for GoJet will stop the careers of their pilots. They get all their information talking to their misinformed friends or reading this message board, and now they are subject experts. Then they become shocked when they hear that GoJet pilots' careers progress no differently from anyone else's.

What is shocking to me is that you will say black is white and white is black.

You find one or two gojet pilots who leave gojet after hiding their identity, lying about what airline they work for, and dodging all the other pilots' enmity in the industry, and you claim that "

Gojet pilot's careers progress no differently."


Now that is comedy.

 

[35off]

response to fuleflow

Not a SR CPT , fairly SR FO.

Last and official public response to you is, and you have probably heard it in life before.

Anything I have ever came across that seem too easy to achieve or too hard to believe usually is. Or try this one. Nothing worth having comes easy.

So if someone told me they would hire me as a Street Captain in a 121 operation flying a CRJ700, I would have to seriously ask what was wrong?

Enough said.

 

[f/o(forever)]

Not a SR CPT , fairly SR FO.

Last and official public response to you is, and you have probably heard it in life before.

Anything I have ever came across that seem too easy to achieve or too hard to believe usually is. Or try this one. Nothing worth having comes easy.

So if someone told me they would hire me as a Street Captain in a 121 operation flying a CRJ700, I would have to seriously ask what was wrong?

Enough said.

WELL PUT, NO MORE POST NEEDED ON GAY JETS, JUST READ ABOVE!!!

 

[motch]

35OFF

One of the best posts ever.... short and right to the point..

FF, as I said earlier.. there will always be people who slip through the cracks. But let me ask you this, of the original 50 or so people on my list, there were some junior TSA Capt's and senior FO's who crossed the line.
I know a few of these people wanted/want to get PIC time and go somewhere else. FedEx, UPS, SouthWest.
How are THEY doing? Saw GB on a van today and seems he's still at GJ. Been a year already...

As I stated earlier, if someone has ALOT of time because they were at TWA, AA, or some other carrier and came to GJ just to get current again and move on.. well, they just might.
But for someone without PIC time thinking that going the easy route to "steal" time from those who laid the foundation for GJ only to have it offered to a lower bidder.. will reap the benifits and get on with a larger carrier in the future... Well, there are enough ex TSA pilots out there now who will let their companies know what kind of individual a GJ pilot is. Obviously, not a team player, but a pilot looking to get over on his fellow pilots.

Just how I (and MANY others) feel...

 

[737 Pylt]

35OFF

One of the best posts ever.... short and right to the point..

FF, as I said earlier.. there will always be people who slip through the cracks. But let me ask you this, of the original 50 or so people on my list, there were some junior TSA Capt's and senior FO's who crossed the line.
I know a few of these people wanted/want to get PIC time and go somewhere else. FedEx, UPS, SouthWest.
How are THEY doing? Saw GB on a van today and seems he's still at GJ. Been a year already...

As I stated earlier, if someone has ALOT of time because they were at TWA, AA, or some other carrier and came to GJ just to get current again and move on.. well, they just might.
But for someone without PIC time thinking that going the easy route to "steal" time from those who laid the foundation for GJ only to have it offered to a lower bidder.. will reap the benifits and get on with a larger carrier in the future... Well, there are enough ex TSA pilots out there now who will let their companies know what kind of individual a GJ pilot is. Obviously, not a team player, but a pilot looking to get over on his fellow pilots.

Just how I (and MANY others) feel...

Motch:
Well said, especially the bolded part!
Many legacy's majors will be hiring in the coming year!
737

 

[Reelbigfish]

35OFF

One of the best posts ever.... short and right to the point..

FF, as I said earlier.. there will always be people who slip through the cracks. But let me ask you this, of the original 50 or so people on my list, there were some junior TSA Capt's and senior FO's who crossed the line.
I know a few of these people wanted/want to get PIC time and go somewhere else. FedEx, UPS, SouthWest.
How are THEY doing? Saw GB on a van today and seems he's still at GJ. Been a year already...

As I stated earlier, if someone has ALOT of time because they were at TWA, AA, or some other carrier and came to GJ just to get current again and move on.. well, they just might.
But for someone without PIC time thinking that going the easy route to "steal" time from those who laid the foundation for GJ only to have it offered to a lower bidder.. will reap the benifits and get on with a larger carrier in the future... Well, there are enough ex TSA pilots out there now who will let their companies know what kind of individual a GJ pilot is. Obviously, not a team player, but a pilot looking to get over on his fellow pilots.

Just how I (and MANY others) feel...

Just wanted to give a shout out and say "hi" to the TSA guys, and also say that there has been quite a few ex-TSA guys coming to Allegiant lately...so I don't think we'll be seeing any GJers coming here.

 

[usac1]

I have worked at gojet for 9 months and have just accepted a first officer postion with Southwest Airlines. Just to let you know.

 

[oceandude]

WAWAWAWA!! You guys have such short a$$ memory! What about all the Eagle guys you screwed!! I dint see you turning down all those (AMR) RJ´S. Go cry to your mother!!

 

[twflys]

congrats!!

 

[DX Rick]

So let me get this straight. GoJets pilots are considered scabs because they undercut the other regionals with pilot pay. So what does that make Mesa, since they underscut everyone else?

GoJet is the hated airline of today. Next week it will be the new start up airline that Pinnacle is firing up.

 

[NarcolepticAV8R]

I would like to extend a congrats to all the gayjetter new hires and good luck to all the gayjetters attritionists.

I hope your post-gayget career is all it's cracked up to be!!

 

[TSA Pilot]

I have worked at gojet for 9 months and have just accepted a first officer postion with Southwest Airlines. Just to let you know.

yeah right

 

[Turkey Shoot]

So let me get this straight. GoJets pilots are considered scabs because they undercut the other regionals with pilot pay. So what does that make Mesa, since they underscut everyone else?

GoJet is the hated airline of today. Next week it will be the new start up airline that Pinnacle is firing up.

Nope, not scabs but snakes in the grass. The knew TSA was in a fight to keep flying that should have been theirs. The only reason TSA got United flying BACk was due to their hard efforts to be on time with a good completion. Instead, Hulas choose to go outside and hire captains off the street in an effort to put a crappy contract over on TSA pilots.

An all to common ploy that gave us Freedom A listers.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

I have worked at gojet for 9 months and have just accepted a first officer postion with Southwest Airlines. Just to let you know.

And I will raise the BS flag on that one..

Go Jet continues to grow and the people there know it! I am an F.O and am making 36$ an hour because I signed on early with them. In the regional business noboby gives a sh*t who you work for because every mainline guy hates regionals. That's the way it is so why does anybody keep keep posting flame bate about Go Jet??? It's done and that's the way the ball bounces!

Check the date on that post.

 

[redbook]

So let me get this straight. GoJets pilots are considered scabs because they undercut the other regionals with pilot pay. So what does that make Mesa, since they underscut everyone else?

GoJet is the hated airline of today. Next week it will be the new start up airline that Pinnacle is firing up.

Dx, I will help you get this straight. For the millionth time, gojets is an alter ego airline. That is why they are in a special category. Unique. Unlike any other competing airline.

Here is the news flash:

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.

 

[redbook]

WAWAWAWA!! You guys have such short a$$ memory! What about all the Eagle guys you screwed!! I dint see you turning down all those (AMR) RJ´S. Go cry to your mother!!

Actually we have a very long memory and will remember the alter ego pilots at gojet. Don't come crying to us when you can't get hired anywhere.

 

[f/o(forever)]

WAWAWAWA!! You guys have such short a$$ memory! What about all the Eagle guys you screwed!! I dint see you turning down all those (AMR) RJ´S. Go cry to your mother!!

Yeah I did keep doing my job because turning down the flying I was told to do by management will get me fired! You on the other hand went looking for a way to screw another pilot group by getting a job at an ALTER-EGO airline! Who has good morals? Who has a good work ethic? Lets not argue about but lets ask all those who read this forum, If you have the balls anyways. SO PLEASE KEEP YOUR PIE HOLE SHUT BECAUSE WE ARE ALL SICK OF YOUR CHILDISH RAMBLINGS! Be a man! face up to what you did and are doing! Union busting tool of hulas'!