GoJets

[oceandude]

Congrats Capitan! I am soooo happy for you!

 

[FlyHIToo]

Dx, I will help you get this straight. For the millionth time, gojets is an alter ego airline. That is why they are in a special category. Unique. Unlike any other competing airline.

Here is the news flash:

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.

REDBOOK... You are a tool.....

Get some new stuff. That post came from a FORMER ALPA leader nearly 2 years ago and you are still using it. Also, why are you still at TSA? You like it that much there? Why don't you move on?

 

[FlyHIToo]

Dx, I will help you get this straight. For the millionth time, gojets is an alter ego airline. That is why they are in a special category. Unique. Unlike any other competing airline.

Here is the news flash:

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.

REDBOOK... You are a tool.....

Get some new stuff. That post came from a FORMER ALPA leader nearly 2 years ago and you are still using it. That was the last thing that ALPA has ever said about GoJet. Now they acually meet on a regular basis with the IBT leaders at GoJet.

Also, why are you still at TSA? You like it that much there? Why don't you move on?

 

[ReportCanoa]

What exactly are TSA AlPA and GooJET IBT talking about?

 

[redbook]

REDBOOK... You are a tool.....

Get some new stuff. That post came from a FORMER ALPA leader nearly 2 years ago and you are still using it. That was the last thing that ALPA has ever said about GoJet. Now they acually meet on a regular basis with the IBT leaders at GoJet.

Also, why are you still at TSA? You like it that much there? Why don't you move on?

Ouch. Personal attacks from an alter ego pilot.

Nothing will ever change. A scab who crosses a picket line...is a scab.

An alter ego pilot will always be an alter ego pilot.

Where tsa pilots work doesn't matter. What matters is that you will always be an alter ego pilot, forever linked to gojet.

No expiration date on that.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Redbook....come on man...you still have not answered my questions. Based on your profile you should have more than enough flight time to meet the mins of ever carrier out there that is hiring. If you hate GoJet and feel that TSA has screwed you so much why don't you go to a better place. Leave all this behind you.

If you spent as much on refining your social skills and working on getting hired at a real airline, as you spend bitching on this web board, maybe you would not still be at TSA.

Anyways... My original questions were:
Why are you still at TSA? You like it that much there? Why don't you move on?

 

[FlyHIToo]

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.

Redbook...2 other things....

1) How did that grievance work out?
2) No where in that 2 year old post did Worth or ALPA ever mention anything negative about the employees of GoJet. All of his remarks were directed at TSA Management.

By the way... Was not your very airline code, AX, established and still exists solely to evade American Eagle ALPA and the APA agreements?

Rebook...the LAST WORD is yours! I have better things to do with my time... Good Luck with all...

 

[737 Pylt]

I have better things to do with my time... Good Luck with all...

So many people to screw over, so many jobs to steal, so little money to work for......Ahhh the life of a gay jets fag!

737

 

[redbook]

Redbook....come on man...you still have not answered my questions. Based on your profile you should have more than enough flight time to meet the mins of ever carrier out there that is hiring. If you hate GoJet and feel that TSA has screwed you so much why don't you go to a better place. Leave all this behind you.

If you spent as much on refining your social skills and working on getting hired at a real airline, as you spend bitching on this web board, maybe you would not still be at TSA.

Anyways... My original questions were:
Why are you still at TSA? You like it that much there? Why don't you move on?

I think I have addressed your questions before, as have all TSA pilots, past and present. We won't "leave all this behind".

What was the most important thing in FedEx's new contract, according to their chairman? Scope protection against an alter ego. The alter ego threat is the greatest threat to pilots today and you have proven you will join an alter ego.

FedEx Pilots Approve Contract
[FONT=arial, helvetica]By Ted Reed
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]10/17/2006 5:00 PM EDT[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]URL: http://www.thestreet.com/newsanalysis/transportation/10315643.html



Pilots at FedEx (FDX) overwhelmingly approved the company's four-year contract offer, as 94.6% of them voted for ratification.

The contract includes 18% pay raises over four years, starting with 9% the first year, for the 4,700 pilots. Additionally, pilots get signing bonuses as high as $30,000 for a senior widebody captain. Nearly 94% of FedEx pilots participated in the voting.

"We focused on maintaining contact with our pilots and their expectations and working very hard with FedEx management to arrive at ... a sustainable contract," David Webb, chairman of the FedEx unit of the Air Line Pilots Association, said during a news conference Tuesday. He noted there was "no significant public confrontation" with the company.

The contract will take effect Oct. 30, marking the completion of a negotiating process that began more than 30 months ago. The conclusion came quickly, however. Once negotiators at rival UPS (UPS) reached a tentative agreement in June after nearly four years of talks, a preliminary deal was struck at FedEx in August.

FedEx acknowledged relatively early that pilots deserved a pay raise, Webb said, and hourly rates weren't discussed until near the conclusion of the talks. The crucial issues were retiree health care and job security, he said.

Pilots got "seamless" health care from active status through retirement, as well as job security that Webb called "the crown jewel of our accomplishments." It includes a contract with the parent company, rather than with FedEx Express, and an agreement that "they will not create an alter-ego airline."

Webb said FedEx and UPS "are at the top of the pay rate right now," far exceeding salaries at the legacy passenger carriers whose pilots once ruled the roost. He declined to discuss why only 56.5% of UPS pilots supported their contract, which he said was roughly similar.

Industry sources speculated that UPS suffered from going first in negotiations, establishing a framework that was easily adopted by FedEx. The UPS talks also were hampered by dissension among the pilots. In its talks, UPS had to make up ground to catch up with the rates paid by FedEx.

Last month, FedEx reported that earnings surged 40% for its fiscal first quarter, which ended Aug. 31. During the quarter, the company anticipated the contract's approval and took a 20-cent-a-share charge, equivalent to about $145 million, for upfront expenses including the signing bonus.

In a prepared statement, FedEx Express CEO David Bronczek said that "FedEx Express and ALPA have worked tirelessly over the last two years to reach what we all believe is a competitive and mutually beneficial contract." [/FONT]

 

[Smarta$$]

I think I have addressed your questions before, as have all TSA pilots, past and present. We won't "leave all this behind".

What was the most important thing in FedEx's new contract, according to their chairman? Scope protection against an alter ego. The alter ego threat is the greatest threat to pilots today and you have proven you will join an alter ego.

FedEx Pilots Approve Contract
[FONT=arial, helvetica]By Ted Reed[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]TheStreet.com Staff Reporter[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]10/17/2006 5:00 PM EDT[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]URL: http://www.thestreet.com/newsanalysis/transportation/10315643.html[/FONT]



[FONT=arial, helvetica]Pilots at FedEx (FDX) overwhelmingly approved the company's four-year contract offer, as 94.6% of them voted for ratification. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]The contract includes 18% pay raises over four years, starting with 9% the first year, for the 4,700 pilots. Additionally, pilots get signing bonuses as high as $30,000 for a senior widebody captain. Nearly 94% of FedEx pilots participated in the voting. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]"We focused on maintaining contact with our pilots and their expectations and working very hard with FedEx management to arrive at ... a sustainable contract," David Webb, chairman of the FedEx unit of the Air Line Pilots Association, said during a news conference Tuesday. He noted there was "no significant public confrontation" with the company. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]The contract will take effect Oct. 30, marking the completion of a negotiating process that began more than 30 months ago. The conclusion came quickly, however. Once negotiators at rival UPS (UPS) reached a tentative agreement in June after nearly four years of talks, a preliminary deal was struck at FedEx in August. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]FedEx acknowledged relatively early that pilots deserved a pay raise, Webb said, and hourly rates weren't discussed until near the conclusion of the talks. The crucial issues were retiree health care and job security, he said. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Pilots got "seamless" health care from active status through retirement, as well as job security that Webb called "the crown jewel of our accomplishments." It includes a contract with the parent company, rather than with FedEx Express, and an agreement that "they will not create an alter-ego airline." [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Webb said FedEx and UPS "are at the top of the pay rate right now," far exceeding salaries at the legacy passenger carriers whose pilots once ruled the roost. He declined to discuss why only 56.5% of UPS pilots supported their contract, which he said was roughly similar. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Industry sources speculated that UPS suffered from going first in negotiations, establishing a framework that was easily adopted by FedEx. The UPS talks also were hampered by dissension among the pilots. In its talks, UPS had to make up ground to catch up with the rates paid by FedEx. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Last month, FedEx reported that earnings surged 40% for its fiscal first quarter, which ended Aug. 31. During the quarter, the company anticipated the contract's approval and took a 20-cent-a-share charge, equivalent to about $145 million, for upfront expenses including the signing bonus. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]In a prepared statement, FedEx Express CEO David Bronczek said that "FedEx Express and ALPA have worked tirelessly over the last two years to reach what we all believe is a competitive and mutually beneficial contract." [/FONT]

Boy, I cant imagine why Fedex would put such emphasis on alter ego protections. Is it maybe because it is dead wrong. Or because they know there are tools like gay jet pilots that will take there jobs or growth.

Now your going to start telling us about how gayjet pilots are being hired like crazy at Fedex and those pilots have no problem with alter ego pilots.

Proof positive that mainline pilots are watching what you guys did and dont like it at all. Now stop the lies and spin. Goatjet pilots are hated.