GOJET Crew out of KIAD.

[xjgearbtch]

xjgearbtch-

Are you having trouble understanding what I am saying? It is not your FOM, your airline, or their jumpseat that we are discussing at this point. It is your attitude toward furlough pilots, both mainline and regional, that you seem to have a problem with.

"They don't like getting furloughed then get mainline to recapture "their" flying."
What's wrong with this statement? Mainline pilots are the only ones who can fix this. We at the regionals can't

"There are no clauses to help out a furloughed mainline pilot."
The FOM makes no statement that if the gojet pilot was furloughed from another company we can let em on. Being furloughed sucks. I will be there again when our SAABs are all removed next year. I will keep my integrity and not work for gojets though.

"They took that risk going there."
It is the risk they took. Period. I do have a friend who worked there intially and left for Skywest after learning more about the aviation industry. He recovered from his mistake and I applaud his actions. He is a man of integrity. I have many friends at TSA who have been put through the ringer because the whole crap that went down. GoJet is scum.


It appears that you have been entrusted by everything that is Holy to determine what is ALPA legal flying and what is scabbed flying.

No I am following the guidlines set forth by our jumpseat comm. Don't like it talk to them. I am very happy with their decision, I am allowed to have my own opinions.


Well one more time I will ask for you to private message me your name and a way to contact you (email or phone number), and I will be more than happy to have either a Representative from either UA or National ALPA to explain things probably better than I ever could.

As previously stated, I have many friends at TSA. You're viewpoint will not sway my beliefs. I have seen their continued challenges and have no respect for anyone who works for GoJet. ALPA is structured so each MEC can make their decisions on this matter. XJ made their decision. UA did what they deemed neccesary to protect their pilots. Choosing GoJets was a very poor choice. Besides this isn't a UA issue, it's a Gojet issue. You brought UA into it not me. You can PM on this site anytime there is no difference. I'm not giving my name/number to random strangers, I wasn't born yesterday. Call me a coward, I still sleep just fine at night. If you truly want to change anything go to my union. If my MEC says to accept GOjet jumpseaters I will. Until then they can f-off.

The "they" you are referring to that "took" your friends from TSA are the first year folks. When ALPA is in at GJ (we can only hope for GJ to eventually get there) this will all be gone. Fact is fact, if you or I are sitting in a RJ somewhere, the chances are that route was at one time a mainline or legacy route, and your airline was the most economical (cheapest) way to fly it and make a profit. At some point Legacy's dislike Majors, Majors dislike LLCs, LLCs dislike Charters, then everyone hates Regionals ...ect...ect..ect..

GOJET is teamsters and it's a sham at that. They will never be ALPA. I can't control what the majors did before I became a pilot. TSA has lost their ability to negotiate a fair contract with GOJETS taking their hard earned money. Mesaba did the same thing to us during our negotiations. We could of had a much better contract if we hadn't had an alter ego undercutting us.

As I have said before, I don't have a dog in the race. But it seems as bad as our industry is fighting for survival right now there are still those out there, that claim to be Brothers and Sisters are determined to eat the injured that are down. Sadly, those that make the most noise are content in hiding behind a screen name.

xj- I ask again, just a way to contact, a name and I will be happy to pass it on to someone that might have more answers than you or I.


Once again I have plenty of answers from many YEARS seeing my friends careers being sabotaged. Over 150 pilots furloughed, most junior CA was hired in 04. Gojet is hiring and most junior CA was hired in 09. This is utter crap!! I don't need a re-education. Waste time emailing here, but it won't change my mind.


Lamar Jones
[email protected]
IAH

good luck

 

[lj1313]

I hope that you fly better than you read. Once again I wasn't talking about JUMPSEATING! .... Its about your attitude toward other pilots and pilot groups.

If you don't think that ALPA will accept a GoJet or any other willing pilot group, you don't remember CO after the '80's do you. That, my friend , was a true SCAB situation. Did or did not CAL's internal union reemerge as CAL ALPA? It worked out between them after a VERY bad situation. The TSA vs. GoJet debacle doesn't even get close. So saying that the relationship between GoJet and ALPA cant be rectified is short sighted.

I am glad that I don't work at GoJet for many reasons. But thats not to say if my situation was the same as it is for others furloughed that I wouldn't have to seriously look at it as an option. Not saying I would take it, but I would have to consider it.

Ha! Never mind, your like trying to communicate with a blind man trying to read a TelePrompter.

Best of luck in the future xj.

 

[johndt]

good luck

I couldn't have said it better. Well done and thanks for the support.

 

[johndt]

Then simply post your name or private message me with it.
Lamar Jones
IAH

You can PM anyone you want, Lamar. Have your worthless friends PM me, and I'll educate them for you. You are the problem with this industry, Jones. You think only about yourself. It always amazes me how far you people will go. You are a festering sore in this country and this industry. And your infection hurts us all.

No GJ pilot sits in my cockpit -- period.

TSA and proud.

 

[flyboyzii]

TSA and proud.

Wow...seriously?? Proud?? Ha ! !

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Wow...seriously?? Proud?? Ha ! !

Seriously. Kinda feels good not to have to think; "Oh crap, my ID badge isn't turned around, here let me fix that..." all the time. Well that and not to have to explain yourself in order to commute on mainline. Good times had by all waterskiers!

 

[lj1313]

You can PM anyone you want, Lamar. Have your worthless friends PM me, and I'll educate them for you. You are the problem with this industry, Jones. You think only about yourself. It always amazes me how far you people will go. You are a festering sore in this country and this industry. And your infection hurts us all.

No GJ pilot sits in my cockpit -- period.

TSA and proud.

It was just a question.... And my "infection" dosent hurt the regionals in the least. I asked a question, it wasnt about the debate on the vitues of one side or the other, like I said I dont have a dog in the fight. I dont wear an ID from a regional so I havent had the problem some of you guys (and girls) are having with jumpseating. I come from a regional background, but at the time I was there the problems between one regional and the other werent where they are now. The only question I had was were will it end?

Sorry again about the spelling and grammar.

LJ
IAH

 

[CX880]

TSA and proud.

Seriously? Because of your incompetent management and your collective "pride", TSA has half the airplanes and half the pilots and is remaining stagnant with the worst labor contract in it's class. What are the chance for future growth at TSA and an industry leading contract? ZERO, you need the airplanes and flying for that to happen and a change of management mentality as well. So yea ZERO. If you had agreed to gojet you could have had a contract years ago, that is nobody else's fault so keep your dirty jumpseat to yourself.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Seriously? Because of your incompetent management and your collective "pride", TSA has half the airplanes and half the pilots and is remaining stagnant with the worst labor contract in it's class. What are the chance for future growth at TSA and an industry leading contract? ZERO, you need the airplanes and flying for that to happen and a change of management mentality as well. So yea ZERO. If you had agreed to gojet you could have had a contract years ago, that is nobody else's fault so keep your dirty jumpseat to yourself.

You seem to forget that at one point it was also YOUR management and YOUR pride too. At one point you were all for TSA and our pilot group, now you're against it. If I were you I'd keep the esophagus exhaust to a minimum ole chap.

Indubitably!

 

[relief tube]

who does he work for and why was he denied? I call BS too.

 

[ultrarunner]

Not that it matter since there GOJET. But a friend of mind was on a monster commute and ended up in KIAD trying to get home to KALB since 4 oclock est. To make a long story short this captain from GOJET DENIED the JS even though they were 14 seats in the back.

Getting in on this discussion a bit late here...but why wouldn't a pilot from an Alter Ego Airline be denied the jumpseat?

 

[CX880]

You seem to forget that at one point it was also YOUR management and YOUR pride too.

Indubitably!

Yea up unitll they furloughed in masses. Best of luck to you.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Yea up unitll they furloughed in masses. Best of luck to you.

Don't forget...you currently work for They right now too.

Thanks for the well wishes, we all need them!

 

[TrevorW]

Close this thread down already. Have your 'friend' contact his jumpseat coordinator about this 'issue.' I imagine this whole situation is fabricated or you are simply not telling the whole story. GoJet pilots are happy to help anyone get to and from work.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Close this thread down already. Have your 'friend' contact his jumpseat coordinator about this 'issue.' I imagine this whole situation is fabricated or you are simply not telling the whole story.

Truth.

The second I heard that a UA gate agent was trying to help in the A terminal at IAD I knew this was made up!

 

[ultrarunner]

I was thinking the same thing! But still, why would alter-ego airline pilots be granted the JS?

 

[lj1313]

Truth.

The second I heard that a UA gate agent was trying to help in the A terminal at IAD I knew this was made up!

Man how true it that! LOL

 

[flyboyzii]

Seriously. Kinda feels good not to have to think; "Oh crap, my ID badge isn't turned around, here let me fix that..." all the time. Well that and not to have to explain yourself in order to commute on mainline. Good times had by all waterskiers!

I think you made have taken my statement in the wrong tone..Not hard to understand considering it was you.
1.) I'm not talking down any TSA pilot who works or has worked for TSA. There are many good working folks over there. I know, because I talk to them

2.) I don't wear a lainard. I clip mine on my pocket face forward for you & everyone else to see if they choose

3.) I'm in Chicago & Dulles a lot so please feel free to come "straighten my badge" anytime.

4.) My statement was intended to imply that if you work for Hulas & somehow find pride in this craphole workplace (TSA & GoJet) then one might want to aim a little higher. This company couldn't care less about it's employees & I gleefully return the sentiment. I do my job well and to the best of my ability while reading through generally a minimum of four to five M.E.L.'s etc... But, I'm not about to go above or beyond my duty here. Not at this place. No way.

5.) I jump all over this country on all carriers and not a single time have I had to "explain myself" to anyone. Not once. Nice try though. Now, go refill your sippy cup and watch your SpongeBob show.
I still shake my head at the Juvenile attitudes here in the sandbox that is the Regional Airlines. The ball is now on your side of the sandbox. Feel free to do as you wish with it.

My signature says it all..........

 

[nwa_contrails]

Seriously? Because of your incompetent management and your collective "pride", TSA has half the airplanes and half the pilots and is remaining stagnant with the worst labor contract in it's class. What are the chance for future growth at TSA and an industry leading contract? ZERO, you need the airplanes and flying for that to happen and a change of management mentality as well. So yea ZERO. If you had agreed to gojet you could have had a contract years ago, that is nobody else's fault so keep your dirty jumpseat to yourself.

YGBSM. Really?

 

[Raskal]

Wow, talk about a race to the bottom. I will at least say this, as a captain at XJ I know of two times I allowed GJ pilots to hitch rides (the only two that ever asked). You want to hide behind the FOM go right ahead, I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care less about GJ, TSA or all the bull$hit associated with it. This crap has happened since the first day a regional started flying, grow up.

My airplane, my seat, no one gets denied a ride if there's space. Idiots, go ahead, play into management's hand yet again. These seats are all we have left as a profession and you little girls are jumping at the chance to give that authority away too.

 

[NEDude]

I work for Mesaba if you don't like what's written in my company's FOM take it up with my company and our union. GoJet pilots have caused financial harm upon many of my friends that work at TSA. I have no respect for GoJet backstabbers.
Ps it's not a individually waged jumpseat war it is our company policy.

Wait a minute, didn't TSA pilots operate American Eagle owned ERJs in direct violation of Eagle scope, while Eagle had pilots on furlough? Why is that acceptable? They directly violated the scope of a fellow ALPA carrier. I have friends at Eagle who were caused financial harm due to that, so should I deny all TSA guys?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Wait a minute, didn't TSA pilots operate American Eagle owned ERJs in direct violation of Eagle scope, while Eagle had pilots on furlough? Why is that acceptable? They directly violated the scope of a fellow ALPA carrier. I have friends at Eagle who were caused financial harm due to that, so should I deny all TSA guys?

In short, no. TSA had to return the Eagle airplanes before Eagle could furlough.

I think you made have taken my statement in the wrong tone..Not hard to understand considering it was you.
1.) I'm not talking down any TSA pilot who works or has worked for TSA. There are many good working folks over there. I know, because I talk to them

2.) I don't wear a lainard. I clip mine on my pocket face forward for you & everyone else to see if they choose

3.) I'm in Chicago & Dulles a lot so please feel free to come "straighten my badge" anytime.

4.) My statement was intended to imply that if you work for Hulas & somehow find pride in this craphole workplace (TSA & GoJet) then one might want to aim a little higher. This company couldn't care less about it's employees & I gleefully return the sentiment. I do my job well and to the best of my ability while reading through generally a minimum of four to five M.E.L.'s etc... But, I'm not about to go above or beyond my duty here. Not at this place. No way.

5.) I jump all over this country on all carriers and not a single time have I had to "explain myself" to anyone. Not once. Nice try though. Now, go refill your sippy cup and watch your SpongeBob show.
I still shake my head at the Juvenile attitudes here in the sandbox that is the Regional Airlines. The ball is now on your side of the sandbox. Feel free to do as you wish with it.

My signature says it all..........

Yeah, I probably misread...comes with the bitter territory I'm in right about now, sorry.

Trust me, I don't have pride in my management (14 months on the street...when will this wonderful vacation end Hulas?) but I DO have pride in our pilot group. All-in-all the guys I flew with at TSA were by far the best group of pilots I've ever shared a common space with. Nothing that management does will ever reduce my pride in my pilot group, kinda like growing up in the projects or something.

As for the jump-seating...I did a lot of it as well seeing as though I live on a coast that's far from the Lou and every time I got in a cockpit GJ was brought up. Seeing and hearing that from mainline pilots as well as having long chats about the airline industry is why I didn't go over when I was F'd. I could entertain you all with stories but I'll save that for my blog.

In the end, you're right, most of this is juvenile. Of late I'm questioning why I ever chose to become a pilot.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Wow, talk about a race to the bottom. I will at least say this, as a captain at XJ I know of two times I allowed GJ pilots to hitch rides (the only two that ever asked). You want to hide behind the FOM go right ahead, I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care less about GJ, TSA or all the bull$hit associated with it. This crap has happened since the first day a regional started flying, grow up.

My airplane, my seat, no one gets denied a ride if there's space. Idiots, go ahead, play into management's hand yet again. These seats are all we have left as a profession and you little girls are jumping at the chance to give that authority away too.

Never said I was hiding behind the FOM. I have denied GoJet out of STL and told them to their face why. I am very happy our FOM is in line with my beliefs.

 

[NEDude]

In short, no. TSA had to return the Eagle airplanes before Eagle could furlough.

The timing of furloughs may have been off, but the point remains - TSA flew American Eagle aircraft in direct violation of a fellow ALPA carriers scope clause, therby denying fellow ALPA pilots opportunities that were rightfully, by contract, theirs.

I have nothing against TSA pilots, nor GoJets pilots and would never deny either in my jumpseat. But for TSA pilots to be stabbing one group of pilots in the back by violating their scope clause, only to go out and badmouth another group for stabbing them in the back is pretty hypocritical IMHO.

But I guess that is what the regional industry has sunk to, loads of hypocrits. Badmouthing and degrading other pilot groups for doing exactly what you are doing, or have done in the past. The last person who needs to be lecturing anyone on raising or lowering the bar is a current or former RJ operator. If you have flown an RJ in the past 8+ years with an American, Continental, Delta, Northwest, United or USAirways logo on the tail, you have undercut a better paying job. So what if your regional has a better contract than another regional. Neither contract is nearly as good as the contract mainline guys used to have while flying those routes. Mainline contracts gutted in large part because of RJs. Everybody get off your darn soap boxes and realize that we are all to blame for the current state of the industry.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

The timing of furloughs may have been off, but the point remains - TSA flew American Eagle aircraft in direct violation of a fellow ALPA carriers scope clause, therby denying fellow ALPA pilots opportunities that were rightfully, by contract, theirs.

I have nothing against TSA pilots, nor GoJets pilots and would never deny either in my jumpseat. But for TSA pilots to be stabbing one group of pilots in the back by violating their scope clause, only to go out and badmouth another group for stabbing them in the back is pretty hypocritical IMHO.

But I guess that is what the regional industry has sunk to, loads of hypocrits. Badmouthing and degrading other pilot groups for doing exactly what you are doing, or have done in the past. The last person who needs to be lecturing anyone on raising or lowering the bar is a current or former RJ operator. If you have flown an RJ in the past 8+ years with an American, Continental, Delta, Northwest, United or USAirways logo on the tail, you have undercut a better paying job. So what if your regional has a better contract than another regional. Neither contract is nearly as good as the contract mainline guys used to have while flying those routes. Mainline contracts gutted in large part because of RJs. Everybody get off your darn soap boxes and realize that we are all to blame for the current state of the industry.

Eagle couldn't staff the airplanes. They were leased to TSA as a last resort to storing them in the desert. The routes flown were old TWE routes that were flown by, guess who, Trans States Airlines.

Now not disagreeing with you about the last 8 years of regional jet growth and mainline jet shrinking and all, just throwing some alternative thought into the Eagle/TSA quagmire.

 

[FO 4 Life]

Eagle couldn't staff the airplanes. They were leased to TSA as a last resort to storing them in the desert.

You are mistaken.

 

[Shrek]

And TSA pilots were picketing right there beside Eagle pilots at the time as well.............

 

[WAZUP]

Not that it matter since there GOJET. But a friend of mind was on a monster commute and ended up in KIAD trying to get home to KALB since 4 oclock est. To make a long story short this captain from GOJET DENIED the JS even though they were 14 seats in the back. To make the story more spicy the gate agent was helping my friend get onboad and after pleading with the captain that it was his last flight home the captain CLOSED the main cabin door and left behind my friend and stranded at the airport. The nice thing about that dobacle was the fact that the gate agent started to call higher ups to fix this ordeal and actually stopped the push back. I am in the process of getting both crew names. And if you guys are reading this i will tell you that you guys are a piece of CHIT and a bunch of back stabbing cowards. You will get what you deserve. NO GOJET are riding on my jumpseat.

You know maybe your friend made some out of line comment to the Captain and in turn was screwed out a ride. I know one of our Captains kicked a SWA jumpseater off in Denver (a couple months ago?) for some comment he made. Just sayin. There could be more to this story.

 

[Flyingdude]

I posted the below statement some time ago. Those that think that they should start a jumpseat war by thumbing their nose on those that they believe are below them.



"First, I do not work for GoJet, so this has nothing to do with my employment. I think TSA guys need a history lesson before they think that they have the self proclaimed right to look down on GoJet. In the past I used to work for Eagle. TSA had 15 or so airplanes flown as american connection painted almost exactly like eagle planes. These planes where actually owned by AMR as well. So you guys were flying airplanes AMR paid for painted like Eagle. FYI, we looked at TSA just like you guys look at GoJet. It was fine that this went on at TSA, however, when the shoe is on the other foot, now it is magically wrong.

By the same token American guys looked down on us as if we were taking their flying. So in review, American looked down on Eagle, Eagle looked down on TSA, and TSA looks down on GoJet. See the pattern. Most regionals are fairly similar, they all suck.

The lesson? To look down on someone else for their actions, while you are doing the same thing they are is pathetic.

Republic, Chataq. and Shuttle is the same thing. Republic wants them all so that one day they can pit them against each other when contracts come up. Look at the historyof Eagle just prior to 1997, that is exactly what happened."

 

[Tarzan]

I have nothing against TSA pilots, nor GoJets pilots and would never deny either in my jumpseat. But for TSA pilots to be stabbing one group of pilots in the back by violating their scope clause, only to go out and badmouth another group for stabbing them in the back is pretty hypocritical IMHO.

Apples to oranges my friend. Why does the Eagle guy keep using this to justify Go Jet? Go Jet was formed primarily to whipsaw TSA pilots. Pilots that went there from TSA where given a type of super seniority. Explain to me again how TSA was formed to screw Eagle pilots? They did not doing it willing. If Eagle suddenly got a bunnch of planes from ASA and their pilots hit the street because of it, do you refuse to fly? If you, you get fired. Start making accurate comparisons instead of being blinded by bitterness.