GJ Pilot car gets keyed!...What the hell?

[phishn@daves]

I guess I'm kind of confused, why is everyone saying below industry standard wages... When GJ offered me a position in their ground school they said the pay for a GJ FO was the SAME as a TSA FO...? Can someone clear this up for me?

Maybe.

TSA pilots fly 50 seaters. GJ pilots fly 70 seaters.

Does this clear it up a little. If not, then PM me.

 

[pilotlbs]

Thanks

Maybe.

TSA pilots fly 50 seaters. GJ pilots fly 70 seaters.

Does this clear it up a little. If not, then PM me.

Ok that does make more sense I didn't think of that. What about like great lakes though, they fly the 1900 and 120's for 13.5 the first year, but I don't hear many people saying that they're "scabs" because they work for below industry standards. I understand its a completely different situation, I just hear many people basing their facts on the below industry standards, when to me it seems like a bit more of a moral issue among the pilots?

 

[J32driver]

ITS NOT ABOUT WAGES... ITS ABOUT SCOPE! Holy crap you guys have a short memory.

Pipejockey... the AWAC guys are pissed because we were the 1st victims of Hojets. If they didn't exist to bid and undercut us by working for free, then most of us wouldn't be commuting halfway accross the D A M N E D country to fly for USAirways.

On the otherhand. The USAirways folks are a heck of alot better to work for. I'm happy we've made the transition.

 

[PHXFLYR]

On the otherhand. The USAirways folks are a heck of alot better to work for....



THEY ARE .....????????



PHXFLYR

Former 10 year W/O Capt...... with the battle scars to prove it!!!

 

[Crossky]

Ok that does make more sense I didn't think of that. What about like great lakes though, they fly the 1900 and 120's for 13.5 the first year, but I don't hear many people saying that they're "scabs" because they work for below industry standards. I understand its a completely different situation, I just hear many people basing their facts on the below industry standards, when to me it seems like a bit more of a moral issue among the pilots?

NO, it's $15.30 the first year, and they are union Teamsters, unlike *************************s. Lakes local union doesn't have enough pilots who have experience helping negotiate a good contract who stay long enough to do much good for them. Frankly, the Teamsters aren't much help either.

Now, if *************************s organized as ALPA from the beginning and TSA permitted TSA pilots to work for TSA and *************************s under a single seniority list, we wouldn't be having this opposition to them, would we?

BTW I saw a pimply faced 23 year old *************************s CA at ORD. He looked like a dog with his tail betwwen his legs trying to get home, the pride was definitely not showing. so much for 'highly experienced and qualified pilots'.

 

[pilotlbs]

NO, it's $15.30 the first year, and they are union Teamsters, .

Thanks for info, that makes more sense also.

 

[nimtz]

What fascinates me is all the pilots who will say, yeah, it shouldn't happen, BUT...

Losers. No wonder you are getting your arses handed to you in the regional industry, with tactics like these.

Wow, your words can be a complete waste of space on multiple boards.

 

[Crossky]

Why do you feel these people should give a rats a** about TSA pilots? Or the crybaby awac pilots who have been vocal about GJ as well. I mean awac?? Who in the hell do they think they are? All their planes will be at work with USAir..

In the hell we think we are is that our company started operations in 1965. That we were the first regional airline to have a marketing agreement with a major airline. That in 2002 we had bases in DEN, ATW-WI, ORD, and ATL. That in 2007 we'll have bases only in PHL, DCA, and ORF. That we do mind losing flying that has been awarded to any carrier, union shop or not. Especially that we don't mind fighting for the standard of this profession, and against another alter ego whipsaw bar lowering attempt. If TSA had their own pilots fly for *************************s under a single seniority list and their ALPA contract, we wouldn't be having a problem here would we?

 

[svcta]

Anybody here remember the days of the 'clickers'? Like the ones used for training your pooch. When a scab was on the bus or in the room.....just start clicking. Great psych. warfare against the union busters. Reduced some to tears, or so I've heard. Once upon a time ALPA meant something. But, it starts with the members.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Anybody here remember the days of the 'clickers'? Like the ones used for training your pooch. When a scab was on the bus or in the room.....just start clicking. Great psych. warfare against the union busters. Reduced some to tears, or so I've heard. Once upon a time ALPA meant something. But, it starts with the members.

Immaturity and tribalism all rolled into one.

I used to be pro-union and pro-ALPA, but as long as people are acting this way, it makes the current shafting that union pilots are getting seem justified, in a way. It is sad, but it is like an unruly child that needs discipline. If you misbehave, you will get a spanking.

I find it amazing that full-grown adults would act this way. Perhaps they are not really full grown adults.

Come to think of it, no wonder management is eating your lunch. You act with adolescent rage and passion. They are probably a lot more dispassionate than you are. It is so easy to see why pilots are getting outmaneuvered at every turn.

 

[mckpickle]

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE FUKCING TELL ME WHY THE WORD G.OJETS IS SENSORED?

And F his car.

 

[FN FAL]

Why not have some balls and say it to his face? Vandalism is a very low and is a cowards way to deal with this situation.

Not only that, but security cameras are everywhere at an airport. Maybe by Monday morning they'll have the tapes pulled and they'll know for sure who, what, when, where.

 

[millhouse21]

Not only that, but security cameras are everywhere at an airport. Maybe by Monday morning they'll have the tapes pulled and they'll know for sure who, what, when, where.

I doubt there are security cameras at the employee parking lot but who knows.... BTW, the whole teamsters thing was mentioned earlier and I think it's worth pointing out that TSA management selected teamsters to represent the WhoreJet pilots. That alone says a lot about the teamsters.

 

[Captain Overs]

No wonder you pussies get paid so little. You have such thin skin. Management knows it and makes you take low wages.

Why don't you ask the scabs of the 80's what happened to them when they crossed a picket line. I bet you it was a lot harsher than a little key job.

It's all perspective. I don't condone that behavior, it's childish, but it could be worse.

 

[svcta]

Immaturity and tribalism all rolled into one.

I used to be pro-union and pro-ALPA, but as long as people are acting this way, it makes the current shafting that union pilots are getting seem justified, in a way. It is sad, but it is like an unruly child that needs discipline. If you misbehave, you will get a spanking.

I find it amazing that full-grown adults would act this way. Perhaps they are not really full grown adults.

Come to think of it, no wonder management is eating your lunch. You act with adolescent rage and passion. They are probably a lot more dispassionate than you are. It is so easy to see why pilots are getting outmaneuvered at every turn.

Spoken like a true scab. Ever try to steal someone's livelihood?

 

[210FR8DOG]

Immaturity and tribalism all rolled into one.

I used to be pro-union and pro-ALPA, but as long as people are acting this way, it makes the current shafting that union pilots are getting seem justified, in a way. It is sad, but it is like an unruly child that needs discipline. If you misbehave, you will get a spanking.

I find it amazing that full-grown adults would act this way. Perhaps they are not really full grown adults.

Come to think of it, no wonder management is eating your lunch. You act with adolescent rage and passion. They are probably a lot more dispassionate than you are. It is so easy to see why pilots are getting outmaneuvered at every turn.

Management is eating all of our lunches thanks to you and your f'n coworkers at Hojets, your just too stupid to see it.

 

[belchfire]

I still want to know what business AMR has telling
a regional carrier what kind of aircraft it can fly
if they are going to let them operate for other
carriers.

Remember how TSA and CHQ were harrassed
about stealing "eagle's" flying-even though
eagle had never flown into STL?

Anybody remember the "Two great airlines,
one great future" posters that AMR plastered
all over the terminal?

I think you need to move a little higher than
the guys flying the line at gj to place blame.

I haven't seen the signs that the guys
picketing at STL are carrying, they are taking
a higher road though and I wish them luck.

There should only be one senority list. Blame
those that made it two.

 

[temcgrew]

I find it amazing that full-grown adults would act this way. Perhaps they are not really full grown adults.

This comes from a guy who's ratings are:

The Nation's oldest authorized dealer of the Intellectual B!tchslap

 

[theo]

I doubt there are security cameras at the employee parking lot but who knows.... BTW, the whole teamsters thing was mentioned earlier and I think it's worth pointing out that TSA management selected teamsters to represent the WhoreJet pilots. That alone says a lot about the teamsters.

Since when does a management get to "select " a union to represent the workers? It does not happen that way. The employees always decide what union representation they have not management. Just another example of how little you can believe anything you read on these boards..just lots of
misleading info.

 

[KingKong2]

Since when does a management get to "select " a union to represent the workers? It does not happen that way. The employees always decide what union representation they have not management. Just another example of how little you can believe anything you read on these boards..just lots of
misleading info.

Theo is right. Millhouse you spread nothing but rumors and half truths on this site. Mngt. CAN NOT select a UNION. Only the employees can. The PILOT and can only pick for the PILOTs and the FA's only for the FA's.

Millhouse....keep your mouth shut if u don't know what you are talking about and stop the rumors.

 

[PCL_128]

Since when does a management get to "select " a union to represent the workers? It does not happen that way. The employees always decide what union representation they have not management. Just another example of how little you can believe anything you read on these boards..just lots of
misleading info.

As usual, the GJ morons are spreading misinformation. The "pilots" that selected the Teamsters for representation were composed of 3 management pilots that transfered over from TSA and "voted" on representation. It was a sham.

 

[incubus]

look, everyone knows that gojeet is wrong. and the guys that jumped ship from tsa to gj know it also. the ones that come on here to defend their position are spitting in the wind. when you're wrong, you're wrong, there's no rationalizing it out. you'd gain a little more credibility if you'd admit that by taking a position at gj you were merely looking out for yourself because there's something in it for you and your place in your life/career, admit that the anyone who knows who gj is has no respect for you. i think that gj pilots could stem most of the harassing and ridicule if you would just call it what it is. tsa management created gj to get around the cba of trans states airlines, company, holdings, inc, .org, .com, .net. bla bla bla. and you went there to satifsfy a personal need, whether it be possible quick upgrade, maybe you're career biological clock is ticking, maybe you hate tsa alpa, etc...

just come clean and you'll see alot of the harassment fade away.

 

[DiverDriver]

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[FlyHIToo]

.... taking a position at gj you were merely looking out for yourself because there's something in it for you and your place in your life/career, .....and you went there to satifsfy a personal need, whether it be possible quick upgrade, maybe you're career biological clock is ticking, maybe you hate tsa alpa, etc...

Who in the world of aviation has not gone to their carrier "to satifsfy a personal need?"

None of you can honestly say that they would be in this industry if you were not "...merely looking out for yourself because there's something in it for you and your place in your life/career."

 

[TSA145]

Theo is right. Millhouse you spread nothing but rumors and half truths on this site. Mngt. CAN NOT select a UNION. Only the employees can. The PILOT and can only pick for the PILOTs and the FA's only for the FA's. quote]

.....or you can have scumbags like D.T. in your pilot rank and select a "company friendly" kind of union...

 

[incubus]

i know that i and 98% of us have never joined an alter ego airline in order to advance a career. so it's safe to say that most people have standards.

keep rationalizing. i'm sure you'll convince the entire industry that you deserve their respect.

 

[Tarzan]

None of you can honestly say that they would be in this industry if you were not "...merely looking out for yourself because there's something in it for you and your place in your life/career."

But the problem here is GJ is getting young kids to come to work for them and probably hurting their prospects for a more rewarding career. Do all these kids know this? You older guys are digging your own hole and know what is in store for you if you need to change jobs. If times were that tough right now in the airline industry, I would understand it a bit more but there are plenty of companies hiring with the exception of Delta and Northwestern. Is it because these guys can't jobs elsewhere? I have to doubt it.


I'm just glad I don't have to worry about my name being on a list that one of those interviewing CA's may have.

 

[Lear70]

look, everyone knows that gojeet is wrong. and the guys that jumped ship from tsa to gj know it also. the ones that come on here to defend their position are spitting in the wind. when you're wrong, you're wrong, there's no rationalizing it out. you'd gain a little more credibility if you'd admit that by taking a position at gj you were merely looking out for yourself because there's something in it for you and your place in your life/career, admit that the anyone who knows who gj is has no respect for you. i think that gj pilots could stem most of the harassing and ridicule if you would just call it what it is. tsa management created gj to get around the cba of trans states airlines, company, holdings, inc, .org, .com, .net. bla bla bla. and you went there to satifsfy a personal need, whether it be possible quick upgrade, maybe you're career biological clock is ticking, maybe you hate tsa alpa, etc...

just come clean and you'll see alot of the harassment fade away.

While an apt description, these guys will NEVER gain credibility. The harrassment will fade away when the lists are finally integrated and a couple years go by, people who made the jump to G0 Jets start leaving through attrition or are simply lost in the numbers, and only a few people still on property remember who they all were.

Until then, eat sh*t... You deserve a lot worse. I miss the heyday of the union,,, you know, when people used to meet guys and gals like G0 Jets pilots in the parking lot with baseball bats.

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

screw the guys car. should have been set on fire.

 

[FN FAL]

I doubt there are security cameras at the employee parking lot but who knows....

I don't know g@jets from adam, but I would suggest that people think about what they do while on airport property. Where I work and where I park has both airport and company security cameras, not to mention the Sheriff's Office guys are doing laps in there all the time...not to mention the FAA and Customs guys.

With the world terror situation the way it is, don't you think it would make sense that someone is watching the parking lot, especially the employee parking lot?