GJ Pilot car gets keyed!...What the hell?

[Oakum_Boy]

What fascinates me is all the pilots who will say, yeah, it shouldn't happen, BUT...

Losers. No wonder you are getting your arses handed to you in the regional industry, with tactics like these.

Yeah, you're right. Should they have wired the ignition instead?

 

[Butters]

Here's how I see it:

1. We don't know why the car got keyed (yes, I'm serious). Maybe he gave someone the finger in traffic or was rude to a hotel employee. This is only circumstantial evidence right now.

2. GhoJets pilots have to realize what they might be getting into when they took the job. They knew the majority of airline pilots were against them and dumb stuff like this might happen.

3. Finally, this is really a stupid act. Yes, I realize what I said in #2 but that does NOT mean I condone it. Really... does keying one idiot's car make the industry better? Is he going to quit and start picketing for ALPA? Nope.

4. If they were true scabs and crossing a picket line, I might feel differently. But it is still chicken s***. If you don't like what the guy is doing, tell him to his face, don't vandalize his car (if that's in fact what happened).

This industry still sucks.

 

[1973Arrow]

What fascinates me is all the pilots who will say, yeah, it shouldn't happen, BUT...

Losers. No wonder you are getting your arses handed to you in the regional industry, with tactics like these.

Why not have some balls and say it to his face? Vandalism is a very low and is a cowards way to deal with this situation.

 

[pilotlbs]

Huh?

At those wages, I bet it was NOT a Lexus!

I guess I'm kind of confused, why is everyone saying below industry standard wages... When GJ offered me a position in their ground school they said the pay for a GJ FO was the SAME as a TSA FO...? Can someone clear this up for me?

 

[MONKEY]

With their integrity.....

Who's to say that the GJ pilot didn't key the car himself and then turn it into the insurance company.

 

[great cornholio]

I guess I'm kind of confused, why is everyone saying below industry standard wages... When GJ offered me a position in their ground school they said the pay for a GJ FO was the SAME as a TSA FO...? Can someone clear this up for me?

TSA FO pay kinda sucks and is most likely on the low end of industry average. (Thats one reason 4 more years would suck). TSA also gets block or better where GJ gets only block time. Block or better pay usually adds a few hundred bucks to your bank account by the end of the month. So even though the hourly wage is the same the end of month take home pay is a few hundred less.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Anybody know where George W was on the night in question?

 

[Flechas]

A GJ pilot's car got keyed at the hotel where he was staying. Is that professional? I think not. It's scary to think that people of that maturity level are being trusted with the lives of your family members. People need to grow up.

I'm sure whoever did it was thnking the same about the WhoJet pilot.

 

[Mesa Beer]

A GJ pilot's car got keyed at the hotel where he was staying. Is that professional? I think not. It's scary to think that people of that maturity level are being trusted with the lives of your family members. People need to grow up.

Are you sure those werent your own fingernail marks from a little late night lot lizard love. ?

 

[pipejockey]

You know hearing everybody down on GJ pilots got me thinking. A lot of these guys interviewing and going to work for GJ may not even know of all the childish controversy surrounding it. If I didn't occasionally come to this message board and read the posts from you children (with some exceptions) I wouldn't know that I am not "supposed" to work for GJ. Why do you feel these people should give a rats a** about TSA pilots? Or the crybaby awac pilots who have been vocal about GJ as well. I mean awac?? Who in the hell do they think they are? All their planes will be at work with USAir..

 

[phishn@daves]

I guess I'm kind of confused, why is everyone saying below industry standard wages... When GJ offered me a position in their ground school they said the pay for a GJ FO was the SAME as a TSA FO...? Can someone clear this up for me?

Maybe.

TSA pilots fly 50 seaters. GJ pilots fly 70 seaters.

Does this clear it up a little. If not, then PM me.

 

[pilotlbs]

Thanks

Maybe.

TSA pilots fly 50 seaters. GJ pilots fly 70 seaters.

Does this clear it up a little. If not, then PM me.

Ok that does make more sense I didn't think of that. What about like great lakes though, they fly the 1900 and 120's for 13.5 the first year, but I don't hear many people saying that they're "scabs" because they work for below industry standards. I understand its a completely different situation, I just hear many people basing their facts on the below industry standards, when to me it seems like a bit more of a moral issue among the pilots?

 

[J32driver]

ITS NOT ABOUT WAGES... ITS ABOUT SCOPE! Holy crap you guys have a short memory.

Pipejockey... the AWAC guys are pissed because we were the 1st victims of Hojets. If they didn't exist to bid and undercut us by working for free, then most of us wouldn't be commuting halfway accross the D A M N E D country to fly for USAirways.

On the otherhand. The USAirways folks are a heck of alot better to work for. I'm happy we've made the transition.

 

[PHXFLYR]

On the otherhand. The USAirways folks are a heck of alot better to work for....



THEY ARE .....????????



PHXFLYR

Former 10 year W/O Capt...... with the battle scars to prove it!!!

 

[Crossky]

Ok that does make more sense I didn't think of that. What about like great lakes though, they fly the 1900 and 120's for 13.5 the first year, but I don't hear many people saying that they're "scabs" because they work for below industry standards. I understand its a completely different situation, I just hear many people basing their facts on the below industry standards, when to me it seems like a bit more of a moral issue among the pilots?

NO, it's $15.30 the first year, and they are union Teamsters, unlike *************************s. Lakes local union doesn't have enough pilots who have experience helping negotiate a good contract who stay long enough to do much good for them. Frankly, the Teamsters aren't much help either.

Now, if *************************s organized as ALPA from the beginning and TSA permitted TSA pilots to work for TSA and *************************s under a single seniority list, we wouldn't be having this opposition to them, would we?

BTW I saw a pimply faced 23 year old *************************s CA at ORD. He looked like a dog with his tail betwwen his legs trying to get home, the pride was definitely not showing. so much for 'highly experienced and qualified pilots'.

 

[pilotlbs]

NO, it's $15.30 the first year, and they are union Teamsters, .

Thanks for info, that makes more sense also.

 

[nimtz]

What fascinates me is all the pilots who will say, yeah, it shouldn't happen, BUT...

Losers. No wonder you are getting your arses handed to you in the regional industry, with tactics like these.

Wow, your words can be a complete waste of space on multiple boards.

 

[Crossky]

Why do you feel these people should give a rats a** about TSA pilots? Or the crybaby awac pilots who have been vocal about GJ as well. I mean awac?? Who in the hell do they think they are? All their planes will be at work with USAir..

In the hell we think we are is that our company started operations in 1965. That we were the first regional airline to have a marketing agreement with a major airline. That in 2002 we had bases in DEN, ATW-WI, ORD, and ATL. That in 2007 we'll have bases only in PHL, DCA, and ORF. That we do mind losing flying that has been awarded to any carrier, union shop or not. Especially that we don't mind fighting for the standard of this profession, and against another alter ego whipsaw bar lowering attempt. If TSA had their own pilots fly for *************************s under a single seniority list and their ALPA contract, we wouldn't be having a problem here would we?

 

[svcta]

Anybody here remember the days of the 'clickers'? Like the ones used for training your pooch. When a scab was on the bus or in the room.....just start clicking. Great psych. warfare against the union busters. Reduced some to tears, or so I've heard. Once upon a time ALPA meant something. But, it starts with the members.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Anybody here remember the days of the 'clickers'? Like the ones used for training your pooch. When a scab was on the bus or in the room.....just start clicking. Great psych. warfare against the union busters. Reduced some to tears, or so I've heard. Once upon a time ALPA meant something. But, it starts with the members.

Immaturity and tribalism all rolled into one.

I used to be pro-union and pro-ALPA, but as long as people are acting this way, it makes the current shafting that union pilots are getting seem justified, in a way. It is sad, but it is like an unruly child that needs discipline. If you misbehave, you will get a spanking.

I find it amazing that full-grown adults would act this way. Perhaps they are not really full grown adults.

Come to think of it, no wonder management is eating your lunch. You act with adolescent rage and passion. They are probably a lot more dispassionate than you are. It is so easy to see why pilots are getting outmaneuvered at every turn.