Give MESA guys a break

[mckpickle]

Actually I know the situation quite well thank you. Freedom had been running with only around 5-6 airplanes when you took your vote. ANd a total of 87 pilots. How do you think MAG was financing these airplanes. If you had gone on strike and or voted that POS TA down the ability to gain financing would have been down the tubes. And listen to JO's Voice mail. He's allways talking about how hard it is to get financing.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Actually I know the situation quite well thank you. Freedom had been running with only around 5-6 airplanes when you took your vote. ANd a total of 87 pilots. How do you think MAG was financing these airplanes. If you had gone on strike and or voted that POS TA down the ability to gain financing would have been down the tubes. And listen to JO's Voice mail. He's allways talking about how hard it is to get financing.

I understand what you're saying. It's a valid point, but you make it sound like our TA vote was a strike vote. It wasn't. A lot more time would have had to have passed before a strike actually came to life. If we sent the TA back, months would have passed, another TA would have come to vote, and then like I said before, Freedom would be a more viable entity. Then the second TA gets voted down, we enter a cooling-off (if the NMB likes us that day and we're lucky) and before you know it it's August or September or later. The trouble with Freedom was that it was not only a phantom threat. It was real. It was happening. MAG was going to fly the 700s and 900s with or without us, and every day counted.

 

[superrav]

That was informative...

I think only the guys that know what they're talking about should post on this particular forum...

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I personally like the Mesa pilot bashing post from the flight attendant....

That just put it all into perspective for me.... Thanks for that.. I think I'll get my pistol and put it into my mouth now....



What's next a bashing from TabexpressFO?

 

[crashpad]

Otto, that was funny!!!

It always seems so sad when our fellow pilots get on here and insult us. It's what makes Mesa guys and gals the great professional aviatiors they are. Rarely do they slam anyone, and point out Comair pilots buy their interviews for 10K.

 

[mckpickle]

George Carlin said it best

"some people are just really fukcing stupid"

 

[Cows Go Moo]

It always seems so sad when our fellow pilots get on here and insult us. It's what makes Mesa guys and gals the great professional aviatiors they are. Rarely do they slam anyone, and point out Comair pilots buy their interviews for 10K.

Ditto that. You (Crash), Otto, Rocks, Rav and the others are representative of the guys/gals who make Mesa, all things considered, a pretty decent place to work. We may be far from perfect, and to some of the bashers we appear to be evil incarnate, but on the whole I love the group I work with for their humor, tolerance, and ability to simply get the job done.

Less whining, more flying.

And Oscar Wilde summed it up nicely too.

"A cynic is a person who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."

 

[Ben Franklin]

Less whining, more flying.

Is that a provision of the Mesa sell-out contract of the decade?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Is that a provision of the Mesa sell-out contract of the decade?

Nah. If it were in there maybe our pay would more closely approximate something that you'd appreciate. It's just a way to enjoy life.

I wonder though, ye for whom Mesa (and seemingly exclusively Mesa) is the bane of your existence, do you enjoy life wasting so much time and energy pointing fingers? Or are you one of those guys others bid around because you're terminally unhappy and joyless?

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Originally posted by crashpad
I wish Mesa would have gone on strike just so Comair could have money deducted from their paychecks to support their pilots.

You wanna point fingers, pay back what was loaned to you first.
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Crashpad,

I honestly doubt that there is an ALPA card carrier out there who wouldn't have gladly supported MESA pilots financially to help you guys stand up for what you deserve, just like we did for COMAIR.

The problem is, the MESA pilot group on a whole, is a bunch of sellouts, too chickensh!t to stand up for anything. You had the support, you just didn't take it. Pathetic....

 

[crashpad]

Originally posted by crashpad
I wish Mesa would have gone on strike just so Comair could have money deducted from their paychecks to support their pilots.

You wanna point fingers, pay back what was loaned to you first.
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You had the support, you just didn't take it. Pathetic....

So because Mesa did'nt do what you did...they're pathetic....fine....but if you still don't support your ALPA brothers, you are a hypocrite...simple.

Now give me back my money or Uncle Nunzios' going to pay you a visit and put you to work in the linguini mines!

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Comair pilots buy their interviews for 10K.

Huh? Comair hasn't had PFT since '99. I would say about 75% of the pilots on the list did not pay for training. I know that well over 50% for sure didn't because they are behind me, and I was one of the first classes to not pay. Add in all the senior guys we have.....

I will try and find out when PFT started at Comair and look it up in the senioity list.

What's your ratio?

 

[crashpad]

JM

You know what you're talking about. I remember that flight school in FL. and how they wanted to sell their product with the promise of a job at Comair for 10K... that was before 99' and I was'nt aware they stopped that practice...or did they?

 

[Ben Franklin]

Nah. If it were in there maybe our pay would more closely approximate something that you'd appreciate.

I don't think that Mesa pilots have the balls to negotiate pay rates let alone a contract that I or any self-respecting regional pilot would appreciate.

Do you guys wear four stripes on your windbreakers?

Just wondering how you can determine who is the more senior sell-out over there at your "airline"


Sincerely,


B. Franklin

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I don't think that Mesa pilots have the balls to negotiate pay rates let alone a contract that I or any self-respecting regional pilot would appreciate.

There's a real ingenious piece of writing there ben.....



You see at mesa, we recruit people that specifically don't have any balls. If you're a pushover, you're welcome here. We hope to create a work environment of nothing but schmucks, douchebags, arsewipes, nutsaks, and yellow bellies. To ensure we only get these types of applicants, we have set up a specific type of interview process to weed out anyone with any self respect.

The self respecting, moral, and incredibly headstrong pilots will instead be forced to apply to places where initial candidate selection is performed by subcontracted telemarketers, and internet forms with multiple choice entries for flight time. By doing this that airline will have a disadvantage and fail due to their stubborn and fundementally gifted pilot's incredibly large "balls" and lack of willingness to make survival driven concessions.

That is our game plan here at Mesa. JO told me that himself...