Give MESA guys a break

[crashpad]

Originally posted by crashpad
I wish Mesa would have gone on strike just so Comair could have money deducted from their paychecks to support their pilots.

You wanna point fingers, pay back what was loaned to you first.
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You had the support, you just didn't take it. Pathetic....

So because Mesa did'nt do what you did...they're pathetic....fine....but if you still don't support your ALPA brothers, you are a hypocrite...simple.

Now give me back my money or Uncle Nunzios' going to pay you a visit and put you to work in the linguini mines!

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Comair pilots buy their interviews for 10K.

Huh? Comair hasn't had PFT since '99. I would say about 75% of the pilots on the list did not pay for training. I know that well over 50% for sure didn't because they are behind me, and I was one of the first classes to not pay. Add in all the senior guys we have.....

I will try and find out when PFT started at Comair and look it up in the senioity list.

What's your ratio?

 

[crashpad]

JM

You know what you're talking about. I remember that flight school in FL. and how they wanted to sell their product with the promise of a job at Comair for 10K... that was before 99' and I was'nt aware they stopped that practice...or did they?

 

[Ben Franklin]

Nah. If it were in there maybe our pay would more closely approximate something that you'd appreciate.

I don't think that Mesa pilots have the balls to negotiate pay rates let alone a contract that I or any self-respecting regional pilot would appreciate.

Do you guys wear four stripes on your windbreakers?

Just wondering how you can determine who is the more senior sell-out over there at your "airline"


Sincerely,


B. Franklin

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I don't think that Mesa pilots have the balls to negotiate pay rates let alone a contract that I or any self-respecting regional pilot would appreciate.

There's a real ingenious piece of writing there ben.....



You see at mesa, we recruit people that specifically don't have any balls. If you're a pushover, you're welcome here. We hope to create a work environment of nothing but schmucks, douchebags, arsewipes, nutsaks, and yellow bellies. To ensure we only get these types of applicants, we have set up a specific type of interview process to weed out anyone with any self respect.

The self respecting, moral, and incredibly headstrong pilots will instead be forced to apply to places where initial candidate selection is performed by subcontracted telemarketers, and internet forms with multiple choice entries for flight time. By doing this that airline will have a disadvantage and fail due to their stubborn and fundementally gifted pilot's incredibly large "balls" and lack of willingness to make survival driven concessions.

That is our game plan here at Mesa. JO told me that himself...

 

[Ben Franklin]

You see at mesa, we recruit people that specifically don't have any balls. If you're a pushover, you're welcome here. We hope to create a work environment of nothing but schmucks, douchebags, arsewipes, nutsaks, and yellow bellies. To ensure we only get these types of applicants, we have set up a specific type of interview process to weed out anyone with any self respect.

I'd laugh, but I know that you're serious.

I think that you have about summed up Mesa for me.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[superrav]

question........

question: If some airlines didnt take consessions...would they still be in business? just curious...the way i see it is..mesa pilots don't make much now..but what about the future? Im not starting anything here...lets not starting bashing..

sorry i mean pilots....What i mean by the future, is the next contract.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I'd laugh, but I know that you're serious.

I think that you have about summed up Mesa for me.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

Then I see your sense of humor is about as dim as your wit.

Kudos, on another demonstration of your level of maturity.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Re: question........

question: If some airlines didnt take consessions...would they still be in business? just curious...the way i see it is..mesa pilots don't make much now..but what about the future? Im not starting anything here...lets not starting bashing..

Airlines don't take conncessions, pilot groups do...


As for the rest of your post... It doesn't make much sense to me... I don't quite understand what Mesa payscales have to do with consessions. I also hate trying to predict the future.....

 

[RJPilott]

There are 3 or 4 bars in the regionals...lets face it, Mesa will and always be the one to raise the bottom bar. We have those that raise the top bar, those that raise the middle bar and those that raise the bottom bar. Mesa is that carrier. JO is just too good and Mesa, although gaining on each consecutive contract,will always be at the bottom raising their own bar for the bottom. The top carriers have to "out-do" each other to raise the top bar. Do not count on Mesa to raise the top bar. Count on them to set a new standard for the bottom bar. After all... Someone has to be on the bottom.... Lets all back the Mesa pilot group to raise the bottom bar higher cause we know it definitely will not go past any top bar. Im thinking its good we have someone to set the low standard and keep raising that low standard. It makes it easier for the pilot groups that will set the high standard. Imagine if they actually took concessions and were lower than they are now?? Mesa belongs at the low end of the graph slowly rasing the basement level. Count on Comair, ARW, and ACA to set the high standards.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Re: Re: question........

Airlines don't take conncessions, pilot groups do...

This is correct, reference Mesa's latest "deal"


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

JM

You know what you're talking about. I remember that flight school in FL. and how they wanted to sell their product with the promise of a job at Comair for 10K... that was before 99' and I was'nt aware they stopped that practice...or did they?

I didn't attend Comair Academy in Sanford, so I don't know all the particulars. But I do know that there isn't a promise of a job when you finish the school. There is a promise of an interview IF you successfully complete all the training, and then you instruct there for some period of time. I believe that it is one - two years or so. In that time they work you hard and don't pay that great. But, the interview is no sure thing, as only about 1 or 2 new hires a class come from there. There are no guarantees. I believe that in another thread on here somewhere you all decided that Comair Academy wasn't considered PFT. It was just like going to a college with a bridge program to an airline. Of course that is a differnet story!