Give MESA guys a break

[Jeepman]

At first I was upset at the MESA pilots for signing such a crappy contract, but in retrospect, I wasn't there and it is easy for those of us who work at other carriers to bash them so easily without walking in there shoes under the threat of Free-dumb.

As for the Free-dumb A list, thanks for starting the downward spiral for regional contracts and enjoy working for MESA FOR THE REST OF YOUR AIRLINE CAREER!

Now where did that Free-dumb list go?

 

[Sky_Goddess]

Give MESA guys a break
I have a number of friends @ MESA and I would have to say the majority of these guys are great. That company is fragmented into three layers, with the pilots and station management are at the bottom. The latest news is that the chief is making the pilots now register the company memos in the company GOM. Things might be getting strange over at MESA but dont blame the guys flying the line or servicing them.


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well you see we blame them because they voted on their futures. They knew what they were voting on and how it would affect everyone else. And believe it or not they overwhelmingly voted YES.
Who praytell should we blame??

 

[mckpickle]

Pickle and other Mesa haters:
I would like to know your opinion on what you think of the MAA rates that just ruined every ENTIRE regional contract out there. Freedom pay rates were higher than what the U MEC negotiated for their furloughed brothers. Duane Woerth didn't sign the CCAIR contract saying that it was too concessionary and then he turns around and signs one that is even worse for MAA. Wake up!!! Learn who the real "traitors" are in this industry.

Well are you asking me or telling me?

I am very disapointed with the MAA rates. But lets look at the causes and associated economics. The current economic situation does not bode well for Airways.

This is a last ditch effort. Anyone can see that buy selling off assets that generate revenue, and starting up MAA that COST them money.....well I don't think they'll make it.

SO why did they sign for those rates. Simply stated, Airways is actually competing with themselves. If they had signed higher rates the company would have given the flying to the Express carriers. IE MESA. So in a since once again, the rates that Mesa signed screwed everyone again.

They are not the only ones however they were the hole in the daamn. Now the flood gates are open. What Mesa has done to the industry is discusting. You guys had the chance to stop Ornstien. He is a maniacle evil man, that will be the end of many pilots carriers.

But you have that shinny 90 seat airplane don't you.

I certainly hope Aiyways makes it, but if it doesn't hopefully it will take MESA with it, and will end the scorge. Wait no you guys will probably take concessions and fly for even less.

 

[crashpad]

This is flame bait phizzle.

 

[mckpickle]

I have a number of friends @ MESA and I would have to say the majority of these guys are great. That company is fragmented into three layers, with the pilots and station management are at the bottom. The latest news is that the chief is making the pilots now register the company memos in the company GOM. Things might be getting strange over at MESA but dont blame the guys flying the line or servicing them.

This is Bullshiit. It is time that people and pilot groups be held accountable. I'm sure they are great guys but by not being held accountable we ,as a industry group, are saying this is ok. BS

 

[crashpad]

Mcpickle is right! Somebody needs to be held accountable!
Many years ago I used to pee in the sick-sacks and dump em on the ramp in PHI to protest the anti-mesa attitudes.
Of course, I would've done this regardless since PHI is a hole and the trailer was too far from my plane.

 

[Capn Butthead]

SKIPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I second what Mcpickle says......Here at Comair we have been asked numerous times for concessions.......and guess who we here about.......


F%*^$ing MESA and Chitaco.......but mainly MESA.......

You guys are bringing down everybody.

Any Mesa guy that voted yes should just turn in his cajones at the front desk and be done with it.

I am glad my FO's make what your captains make. I am glad to see my FO's supersize their french fries...and I am also glad that Comair pilots as a group said no to paycuts for growth. We had the cajones to stand up and say no! Growth is not worth making minimum wage and becoming a wuss.

SEE YA Skippy...........

 

[crashpad]

I wish Mesa would have gone on strike just so Comair could have money deducted from their paychecks to support their pilots.

You seem to forget that every ALPA member supported Comair pilots financially while they were on strike...Mesa, too.

You wanna point fingers, pay back what was loaned to you first.

 

[Capn Butthead]

Crashpad......


Dont start a war you cant win.....Dont you already know that you guys cave at any chance you get?

Seriously,
I personally thank every alpa person that sent money too us. We raised the bar, but we could not have done it without help. I also did not expect to see mesa get what we got, times are different. BUT WHAT YOU DID GET STINKS! You guys had no guts, and cried like little babies.

And this crap with lining our pockets! I took a huge pay cut during the strike for 3 months. You sat on your arse and instead of fighting for what was right you caved in because you are weak. I busted my arse doing whatever it took to pay the bills.... I even quit watching porn! Dont give me this crap about your money lining my pocket. Thanks for sending the money to us, I really do mean that. We would have done the same for you. But you caved like little girls........Now go home and get some man lovin from MR Orientsien ( spelling -10pts).

 

[crashpad]

.... I even quit watching porn!

Wow, you must've been hurting more than I imagined.
Thanks for putting into a perspective we can all relate to, and the first laugh I've had today.

 

[mesa rocks]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.



mesa signed a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty but "non concessionary" contract because of another carrier that was "already" stealing their flying.

everybody else signed concessionary deals because of Mesa. BooHoo..

If anyone of your pilot groups put their foot down and burned down the house to not take concessions, I would applaude.

Til then, stop blaming mesa for doing the same thing you eventually did. saving your Jobs!!

Hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!

 

[mesa rocks]

Chris Farley says-

"anyone else talkin trash about mesa can come get somma dis!!"

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[mckpickle]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.



mesa signed a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty but "non concessionary" contract because of another carrier that was "already" stealing their flying.

everybody else signed concessionary deals because of Mesa. BooHoo..

If anyone of your pilot groups put their foot down and burned down the house to not take concessions, I would applaude.

Til then, stop blaming mesa for doing the same thing you eventually did. saving your Jobs!!

Hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!

JACKA$$, YOU DIDN"T SAVE YOUR JOB< YOU COST MANY OTHERS THEIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dumn sonofabiitch. WHy are you so blind to the fact the JO COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN FREEDOM UP TO SPEED IN THE TIME FOR A STRIKE.

He financed Freedom and the 70/90 seaters on the backs of the Mesa balance sheet. If you guys walked he wouldn't have had the money to buy freakin airplanes.

Jesus your just fukcing stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[crashpad]

Mcpickle, why don't you just say what's on your mind instead of holding it in. It's time to break out of that shell and give in to your true feelings...come to the dark side Luke.

BTW, what is your avatar a picture of? It looks like a cave.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Sorry, but when one group makes it so much harder for the rest of us why should we? The Freedom air excuse is BS. Ornstien could not have gotten Freedom up and running fast enough to avert a strike.

I think it's great when people talk about things they know very little about. JO could not have gotten Freedom up and running fast enough? What are you talking about, Willis? It was up. It was running. At the time we voted on our contract in March, 2003 Freedom had already been in operation for four to five months, were on a delivery schedule of two to three airplanes per month, had over a hundred trained pilots, and training ten to twelve additional pilots per delivered aircraft. If we had sent the TA back to the negotiating table Freedom still would have been a major thorn in our side (and yours) only now a much bigger thorn.

If, down the road, our NC and the company came to an impasse and we went on strike, it would have been at least a few months later and Freedom would have been a company of 20+ aircraft and 200+ pilots and still growing, and do you think Mesa Air Group would have any misgivings about moving assets from Mesa to Freedom?

How's this for an alternate (and speculative) history? We Mesa pilots went on strike in the Summer of 2003. A few hundred Mesa ALPA pilots were instantly furloughed. MAG announces plans to transfer aircraft from the Mesa cert to Freedom's at the rate of x per month and lease out the rest. A few months later, Mesa still on strike, Freedom is a company of 40+ aircraft, and that is no position to be in at a bargaining table. Begging, maybe, but not bargaining. Of course, this is only what might have happened internally at MAG. Externally, all of you other regionals would have to contend not with the Mesa contract but with Freedom's. And you all know their contract... there wasn't one. Low pay, no work rules, no anything.

You whine about how terrible it is having your QOL brought down by the Mesa contract? In an obscure round-about-way, perhaps you should be thanking us for agreeing to the contract we have, putting Freedom to bed before the bleeding got so bad that there was an unchecked growing regional of substantial size with both low pay and no union that all regionals would be subsequently compared to during negotiations, getting 100+ ALPA CC Air pilots, who were screwed by MAG, back to work with upward potential, and making the improvements we managed to make (including guaranteed pay raises of 15-30% over the life of the contract) in a horrible negotiating environment.

So, to the critics, you're welcome.