Give MESA guys a break

[crashpad]

Mcpickle is right! Somebody needs to be held accountable!
Many years ago I used to pee in the sick-sacks and dump em on the ramp in PHI to protest the anti-mesa attitudes.
Of course, I would've done this regardless since PHI is a hole and the trailer was too far from my plane.

 

[Capn Butthead]

SKIPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I second what Mcpickle says......Here at Comair we have been asked numerous times for concessions.......and guess who we here about.......


F%*^$ing MESA and Chitaco.......but mainly MESA.......

You guys are bringing down everybody.

Any Mesa guy that voted yes should just turn in his cajones at the front desk and be done with it.

I am glad my FO's make what your captains make. I am glad to see my FO's supersize their french fries...and I am also glad that Comair pilots as a group said no to paycuts for growth. We had the cajones to stand up and say no! Growth is not worth making minimum wage and becoming a wuss.

SEE YA Skippy...........

 

[crashpad]

I wish Mesa would have gone on strike just so Comair could have money deducted from their paychecks to support their pilots.

You seem to forget that every ALPA member supported Comair pilots financially while they were on strike...Mesa, too.

You wanna point fingers, pay back what was loaned to you first.

 

[Capn Butthead]

Crashpad......


Dont start a war you cant win.....Dont you already know that you guys cave at any chance you get?

Seriously,
I personally thank every alpa person that sent money too us. We raised the bar, but we could not have done it without help. I also did not expect to see mesa get what we got, times are different. BUT WHAT YOU DID GET STINKS! You guys had no guts, and cried like little babies.

And this crap with lining our pockets! I took a huge pay cut during the strike for 3 months. You sat on your arse and instead of fighting for what was right you caved in because you are weak. I busted my arse doing whatever it took to pay the bills.... I even quit watching porn! Dont give me this crap about your money lining my pocket. Thanks for sending the money to us, I really do mean that. We would have done the same for you. But you caved like little girls........Now go home and get some man lovin from MR Orientsien ( spelling -10pts).

 

[crashpad]

.... I even quit watching porn!

Wow, you must've been hurting more than I imagined.
Thanks for putting into a perspective we can all relate to, and the first laugh I've had today.

 

[mesa rocks]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.



mesa signed a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty but "non concessionary" contract because of another carrier that was "already" stealing their flying.

everybody else signed concessionary deals because of Mesa. BooHoo..

If anyone of your pilot groups put their foot down and burned down the house to not take concessions, I would applaude.

Til then, stop blaming mesa for doing the same thing you eventually did. saving your Jobs!!

Hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!

 

[mesa rocks]

Chris Farley says-

"anyone else talkin trash about mesa can come get somma dis!!"

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[mckpickle]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.



mesa signed a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty but "non concessionary" contract because of another carrier that was "already" stealing their flying.

everybody else signed concessionary deals because of Mesa. BooHoo..

If anyone of your pilot groups put their foot down and burned down the house to not take concessions, I would applaude.

Til then, stop blaming mesa for doing the same thing you eventually did. saving your Jobs!!

Hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!
hypocrites!!

JACKA$$, YOU DIDN"T SAVE YOUR JOB< YOU COST MANY OTHERS THEIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dumn sonofabiitch. WHy are you so blind to the fact the JO COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN FREEDOM UP TO SPEED IN THE TIME FOR A STRIKE.

He financed Freedom and the 70/90 seaters on the backs of the Mesa balance sheet. If you guys walked he wouldn't have had the money to buy freakin airplanes.

Jesus your just fukcing stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[crashpad]

Mcpickle, why don't you just say what's on your mind instead of holding it in. It's time to break out of that shell and give in to your true feelings...come to the dark side Luke.

BTW, what is your avatar a picture of? It looks like a cave.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Sorry, but when one group makes it so much harder for the rest of us why should we? The Freedom air excuse is BS. Ornstien could not have gotten Freedom up and running fast enough to avert a strike.

I think it's great when people talk about things they know very little about. JO could not have gotten Freedom up and running fast enough? What are you talking about, Willis? It was up. It was running. At the time we voted on our contract in March, 2003 Freedom had already been in operation for four to five months, were on a delivery schedule of two to three airplanes per month, had over a hundred trained pilots, and training ten to twelve additional pilots per delivered aircraft. If we had sent the TA back to the negotiating table Freedom still would have been a major thorn in our side (and yours) only now a much bigger thorn.

If, down the road, our NC and the company came to an impasse and we went on strike, it would have been at least a few months later and Freedom would have been a company of 20+ aircraft and 200+ pilots and still growing, and do you think Mesa Air Group would have any misgivings about moving assets from Mesa to Freedom?

How's this for an alternate (and speculative) history? We Mesa pilots went on strike in the Summer of 2003. A few hundred Mesa ALPA pilots were instantly furloughed. MAG announces plans to transfer aircraft from the Mesa cert to Freedom's at the rate of x per month and lease out the rest. A few months later, Mesa still on strike, Freedom is a company of 40+ aircraft, and that is no position to be in at a bargaining table. Begging, maybe, but not bargaining. Of course, this is only what might have happened internally at MAG. Externally, all of you other regionals would have to contend not with the Mesa contract but with Freedom's. And you all know their contract... there wasn't one. Low pay, no work rules, no anything.

You whine about how terrible it is having your QOL brought down by the Mesa contract? In an obscure round-about-way, perhaps you should be thanking us for agreeing to the contract we have, putting Freedom to bed before the bleeding got so bad that there was an unchecked growing regional of substantial size with both low pay and no union that all regionals would be subsequently compared to during negotiations, getting 100+ ALPA CC Air pilots, who were screwed by MAG, back to work with upward potential, and making the improvements we managed to make (including guaranteed pay raises of 15-30% over the life of the contract) in a horrible negotiating environment.

So, to the critics, you're welcome.

 

[mckpickle]

Actually I know the situation quite well thank you. Freedom had been running with only around 5-6 airplanes when you took your vote. ANd a total of 87 pilots. How do you think MAG was financing these airplanes. If you had gone on strike and or voted that POS TA down the ability to gain financing would have been down the tubes. And listen to JO's Voice mail. He's allways talking about how hard it is to get financing.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Actually I know the situation quite well thank you. Freedom had been running with only around 5-6 airplanes when you took your vote. ANd a total of 87 pilots. How do you think MAG was financing these airplanes. If you had gone on strike and or voted that POS TA down the ability to gain financing would have been down the tubes. And listen to JO's Voice mail. He's allways talking about how hard it is to get financing.

I understand what you're saying. It's a valid point, but you make it sound like our TA vote was a strike vote. It wasn't. A lot more time would have had to have passed before a strike actually came to life. If we sent the TA back, months would have passed, another TA would have come to vote, and then like I said before, Freedom would be a more viable entity. Then the second TA gets voted down, we enter a cooling-off (if the NMB likes us that day and we're lucky) and before you know it it's August or September or later. The trouble with Freedom was that it was not only a phantom threat. It was real. It was happening. MAG was going to fly the 700s and 900s with or without us, and every day counted.

 

[superrav]

That was informative...

I think only the guys that know what they're talking about should post on this particular forum...

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I personally like the Mesa pilot bashing post from the flight attendant....

That just put it all into perspective for me.... Thanks for that.. I think I'll get my pistol and put it into my mouth now....



What's next a bashing from TabexpressFO?

 

[crashpad]

Otto, that was funny!!!

It always seems so sad when our fellow pilots get on here and insult us. It's what makes Mesa guys and gals the great professional aviatiors they are. Rarely do they slam anyone, and point out Comair pilots buy their interviews for 10K.

 

[mckpickle]

George Carlin said it best

"some people are just really fukcing stupid"

 

[Cows Go Moo]

It always seems so sad when our fellow pilots get on here and insult us. It's what makes Mesa guys and gals the great professional aviatiors they are. Rarely do they slam anyone, and point out Comair pilots buy their interviews for 10K.

Ditto that. You (Crash), Otto, Rocks, Rav and the others are representative of the guys/gals who make Mesa, all things considered, a pretty decent place to work. We may be far from perfect, and to some of the bashers we appear to be evil incarnate, but on the whole I love the group I work with for their humor, tolerance, and ability to simply get the job done.

Less whining, more flying.

And Oscar Wilde summed it up nicely too.

"A cynic is a person who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."

 

[Ben Franklin]

Less whining, more flying.

Is that a provision of the Mesa sell-out contract of the decade?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Is that a provision of the Mesa sell-out contract of the decade?

Nah. If it were in there maybe our pay would more closely approximate something that you'd appreciate. It's just a way to enjoy life.

I wonder though, ye for whom Mesa (and seemingly exclusively Mesa) is the bane of your existence, do you enjoy life wasting so much time and energy pointing fingers? Or are you one of those guys others bid around because you're terminally unhappy and joyless?

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Originally posted by crashpad
I wish Mesa would have gone on strike just so Comair could have money deducted from their paychecks to support their pilots.

You wanna point fingers, pay back what was loaned to you first.
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Crashpad,

I honestly doubt that there is an ALPA card carrier out there who wouldn't have gladly supported MESA pilots financially to help you guys stand up for what you deserve, just like we did for COMAIR.

The problem is, the MESA pilot group on a whole, is a bunch of sellouts, too chickensh!t to stand up for anything. You had the support, you just didn't take it. Pathetic....