GIII vs. GIV

[jcbfly]

Company shut down the IIB because of age... There aren't too many available - only a couple 'good' ones, but it is certainly the most bang for the buck.

 

[G4G5]

What does an older 900B in descent shape go for? Their are some from the late 80's available that can't be going for more then a G4

 

[G100driver]

What does an older 900B in descent shape go for? Their are some from the late 80's available that can't be going for more then a G4

Assuming that you can find one.

Amway's wrecked (and repaired) 900B sold $17 million in Q4 '04.

Do not think it is a better airplane than the IV but the supply and demand of the 900 is definatly in the sellers favor right now.

PS for 10 million I would look toward the G-III if your company can stomach the operating expenses or a CL-601A

 

[GVFlyer]

I received a PM from a Carlson pilot telling me that due to noise concerns, the G-IIB is no longer their primary international platform. I'm sorry for the misinformation.

GV

 

[G100driver]

I received a PM from a Carlson pilot telling me that due to noise concerns, the G-IIB is no longer their primary international platform. I'm sorry for the misinformation.

GV

GV you are always a class act. Not a lot of guys would come onto an annonomos forum to ensure correct information gets out.:beer:

 

[On Your Six]

What would a GIII with EFIS and hush kits run nowadays in terms of purchase cost?

 

[jcbfly]

A late serial # GIII with fresh mid life done, efis and good paint/interior just sold for $7.2. Just about all that i have seen have the stage 2 hush kits and the crazy looking stage 3 hush costs about $1,250,000 with about a week turn around - so I'm told.

 

[JDE]

What kind of hourly fuel burn do you guys use for the G-III?

Thanks.

 

[MikeMD80]

What kind of hourly fuel burn do you guys use for the G-III?

Thanks.

I plan on 5000# the first hour, 4000# the 2nd hour, 3500# for hours 3 & 4, 3000# for each hour thereafter.

My longest leg was KISP-LSZH(Zurich), 7+40 at M.77, landed with 3800#.
Took off with 6 pax + bags. Went staight to FL390, stepped to FL410 coasting out and stepped up to FL430 at 30 West.

 

[Lead Sled]

If 10 million is the budget and possible resale is a concern you might need to change the type aircraft to purchase.

Any stage II aircraft in five years will have a very decreased resale value, no matter what, if any, hush kit is installed.

Depending on the projected passenger load you may want to look at the used Falcon 50, especially a used Falcon 50 with 3-D engines.

The Falcon does have the range for the legs you require. Also the Falcon 50 can carry a full load of passengers, baggage within reason and full fuel except extreme high altiude, hot temp. airports.

However, if you have to have the large fusulage I'm afraid you're stuck with the G-III.

The operational cost of a Falcon 50 is quite a bit less than a G-IIB or a G-III.

PM me if you have any questions.

We just purchased a VERY nice Falcon 50 (-3D engines and Collins Proline 21 retrofit) for less than $10 million. It's one heck of an airplane for the money. As far as fuel burn goes, we looking at 3000 pounds the first hour and 2200 pounds per hour after that.

'Sled

 

[LegacyDriver]

Has anyone put out (or is anyone considering) a re-engine STC for G-II and G-III airplanes to bypass the hushkit? Would be nice to see a G-III with some big fans on it.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I don't know about that. Would you rather drive a 30 year old Rolls Royce or a brand new Chevy (CFE)?

I havn't shown up to work and seen the Rolls Royce spread all over the hanger floor. I have come to come and seen the CFE spread all over the hanger floor.

I'll take the Chevy, please.

 

[LegacyDriver]

(@#&$(#*&$(#&*$ you guys are NEVER going to forgive me for:

1) Banging the F/A on the jetway (I didn't, but I will take credit for the rumor LOL)

2) Loving the Legacy despite its 1800 lb full-fuel useful load (full boat from east coast to west coast with 55 knot headwind and LOTS of bags--I did it, so it can be done).

Come on, has NO operator thought of putting some gigantic Rolls Royce turbofans on a G-II or G-III as an STC and getting a pretty decent (but VERY LOUUUUUUUUDDDDDDD!!!!!!--from the inside) airplane as a result. I think new motors on an old G-II or G-III would be less than a G-IV or Legacy. Where am I wrong here? Hush kits are a bandaid on a gaping wound. DITCH THE TURBOS and go to a fan.

 

[G100driver]

I heard it was a banging a dude in the jetway!!

Have you been drinking and posting again.

 

[AA717driver]

Legacy--What color Legacy do you fly? There was a wht w/ blue stripe on the ramp Wednesday at Garrett at LAX. Was that you? Or the wht over green at Sig LAS on Thurs. morning? That one was 135-sized. The one at LAX was 145-sized.TC