Gaylord Entertainment, Nashville

[G100driver]

how about size of aircraft that way you do not have to be too specific.

I would go with the low end of the NBAA salary range as to give yourself something to work up towards.

 

[Dinger]

Lear70,

65k in 1978 for a Lear Captain......Balogna.

And it's not all "inflation". Cost of living, among many things, has a lot to do with the increase in salaries. Believe it or not, they are not one in the same. Wake up and read a text book.

 

[Dinger]

G100driver,

You know it my friend. The PacNW is so great, I paid people to let me fly their jets until just last year. There are some really great PFT outfits up here I am applying at. With any luck, I can sign one of those well known 3-year no-compete contracts. People say I am lowering the bar, but I am looking out for me and me only.

On a lighter note, how have things gone since you came out of the closet.....doh, you DID come OUT, didn't you? I heard they were gonna put a "special" class together for you at Falcon recurrent in TTburough. Male strippers for top graduates and all.

Got you new email addy Gstringdriverathotmale.com

Sorry, couldn't resist!

 

[Dinger]

how about size of aircraft that way you do not have to be too specific.

I would go with the low end of the NBAA salary range as to give yourself something to work up towards.

Dude, haven't you heard? Nothing less than 85k-90k brother. We all gotta stick together. I'm on my way to talk to my boss right now and tell him how it is, I suggest you do the same. Anything else and we are lowering the bar, down right complaining about high pay rates, my friend.

 

[Lear70]

Lear70,

65k in 1978 for a Lear Captain......Balogna.

And it's not all "inflation". Cost of living, among many things, has a lot to do with the increase in salaries. Believe it or not, they are not one in the same. Wake up and read a text book.

Actually, to be specific, inflation, cost of living, and the consumer pricing index are all interrelated if you want to get technical about it. And yes, 65k a year.

And, to be perfectly clear, I don't give a rat's a*s if you believe me or not. For all I give a sh*t you can go pound sand, especially if you're one of those people willing to take $50k a year for a Lear job right now when I was making that almost 10 years ago.

D*mn aviation WHORES are going to RUIN what's LEFT of this industry (i.e. good corporate jobs are about the only good thing left going).

 

[AA717driver]

I'm pretty sure Ce-500 CA's were making $50k in IND at GTE in the mid-80's. But some be200 guys were also getting $45k back then.

Face it, pilot pay has only kept pace with inflation. Whether at the airlines or corporate, we have been lowballed into just being happy to have a job...TC

 

[Charlie-Echo64D]

Lear70,
I'll be looking for an entry-level job in Nashville once I return from Iraq, I'm curious if you can share who you work for, or your opinion of the Nashville job market.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

 

[Lear70]

Unfortunately, I don't work on the field at BNA anymore, although I do get out from time to time to say Hi to some old friends.

I USED to work out of Hangar 2 flying flight instruction, then King Airs, then Lears, then I got into the 121 side and I'm trying to either move on to a major or get into a nice corporate job. Either one would be fine, I'm just tired of busting my butt 18 days away and 90 hours of flying a month for $65k a year.

There's been a LOT of positive movement in the BNA corporate scene lately. Unfortunately, Averitt has been having a very hard time and has lost a LOT of aircraft, but they're still around (although not as good to work for as they once were). Might be a good entry-level job until you can network on the field and get to know some other operators.

Pharmaceutical company opened a local flight department flight a Lear 45, but I hear it's a VERY good operation so don't expect much movement. Also a CL-604 but I can't get much info on the operator. Alan Jackson's flight department runs a Lear and a Falcon 20 (don't know if they've done the fan conversion or not) - there's rumors of a little movement there but nothing solid.

Gaylord of course, and that's about all I've heard lately. Rogers construction is on the field, as is O'Charley's and a few others. Rumor is the 2nd Captain on the Gaylord aircraft went to Cracker Barrel's flight department out of Lebanon for more pay, better QOL. Most of those don't pay what I'd have to get to leave here so I haven't kept up with it as much as I probably should.

Wish I could give you a little more insight, but it's very quiet in BNA, like everywhere else, most of the good jobs are gone by the time you hear about them unless you've made buddies with someone who works there.

Good luck!

 

[Charlie-Echo64D]

Lear 70
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate you're incite. Good luck!

 

[G100driver]

Didn't Lousiana Pacific just (2003) move their flight department down there? They operate Lear 45's.

 

[doublepsych]

D*mn aviation WHORES are going to RUIN what's LEFT of this industry (i.e. good corporate jobs are about the only good thing left going).

Just going by what is posted in the Regional Forum, Lear70 works for Pinnacle Airlines, the worlds most super operator of CRJs. Not that it really matters...

 

[Uppercrust]

I've been trying to get on here for a long time!

 

[Dinger]

Actually, to be specific, inflation, cost of living, and the consumer pricing index are all interrelated if you want to get technical about it. And yes, 65k a year.

And, to be perfectly clear, I don't give a rat's a*s if you believe me or not. For all I give a sh*t you can go pound sand, especially if you're one of those people willing to take $50k a year for a Lear job right now when I was making that almost 10 years ago.

D*mn aviation WHORES are going to RUIN what's LEFT of this industry (i.e. good corporate jobs are about the only good thing left going).

I don't work for anything close to 50k a year, and I most certainly am not an aviation whore.

If you were making 50k as a lear PIC ten years ago, you were making 5-15k LESS than your dad was 18 years before that. Were you lowering the bar?

I know there are some really good operators out there who pay very well for their pilot staff. Unfortunately, there aren't as many of them as there should be.

Just because I think that 90k is not the going rate for a certain aircraft, don't call me a whore.

A lot of us sit here and bark at each other because we disagree with what someone thinks is reasonable pay. If it is true that you are a Pinnacle pilot, that means you are most likely flying NWA mainline routes (for regional pay, may I add). My wife is a furloughed DC-9 F/O. I certainly could rattle off a few choice words in your direction, but I am smart enough to realize it is not your choice.

Good luck with your anger issue.

 

[Lear70]

I don't work for anything close to 50k a year, and I most certainly am not an aviation whore.

I'm glad you don't, and I apologize for getting a bit testy, it sounded at the time like you were dispariaging everything I had said, and I took offense. One of the bad things about a message board, the intent of the reader sometimes slews perception and now, upon reading what you posted again, it doesn't seem that way at all.

If you were making 50k as a lear PIC ten years ago, you were making 5-15k LESS than your dad was 18 years before that. Were you lowering the bar?

No, my dad was just in the top 5% of Learjet Captain pay at the time. And yes, it was frustrating to know that 20 years later I was making slightly less than he was at the same point in his career. I didn't think of Flexjet as "lowering the bar" in 1997 and I'm glad they're FINALLY getting some pay raises over there.

I know there are some really good operators out there who pay very well for their pilot staff. Unfortunately, there aren't as many of them as there should be.

Absolutely, and obviously the reason I haven't gone to one of the corporate / charter jobs I've interviewed at yet, can't find a great mix of money and QOL that beats what I already have.

A lot of us sit here and bark at each other because we disagree with what someone thinks is reasonable pay. If it is true that you are a Pinnacle pilot, that means you are most likely flying NWA mainline routes (for regional pay, may I add). My wife is a furloughed DC-9 F/O. I certainly could rattle off a few choice words in your direction, but I am smart enough to realize it is not your choice.

Absolutely, it's easy to mouth off on a message board, especially when one posts after 3 or 4 double Jack Daniels'. I feel bad for the Northwest pilots, although they made their own bed when they didn't scope ALL jet flying in order to get some more work rules two contracts ago, but I digress...

I would PREFER to see ALL jet flying at the majors, it would mean that much more major airline hiring instead of regional feeder hiring at $18k a year (couldn't have done that, don't know how our F/O's do it, I couldn't have come in as anything other than a Street Captain, couldn't have afforded it).

Good luck with your career and your wife's, hopefully NWA will figure their crap out one of these days and she'll be back to work soon.