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On Your Six said:
Midwest pilots had NO planes left. You can't compare them to the Airtran pilots, even though you wish to. The key for you is the mixture of the top two groups, kinda like your own 2 groups. Get it, yet? You will.

OYS
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OYS,

Relax big fella.

I agree that accurate comparisons are very difficult to make, you were the one over simplifying the award.

Even using your standard and only comparing the top two groups (which is suspect), there is one group with no pilots anywhere near the bottom. For the bottom republic pilot this still looks like a staple.
 
Ok, Guy's. I have relaxed a little on here. It was nice to take some time off, and I will continue to do so. The reason why is AT will be subsidiary of SWA. It is what eagle is to AMR (but no whipsaw because AT cant grow). This is really in the hands of the shareholders of AT. They choose the what will happen. SWA will have another company to run. They will run it till they see fit. Two certificates two carriers. This can go down in so many ways. This is not a true merger or a F9/RH deal.
 
texman said:
Ok, Guy's. I have relaxed a little on here. It was nice to take some time off, and I will continue to do so. The reason why is AT will be subsidiary of SWA. It is what eagle is to AMR (but no whipsaw because AT cant grow). This is really in the hands of the shareholders of AT. They choose the what will happen. SWA will have another company to run. They will run it till they see fit. Two certificates two carriers. This can go down in so many ways. This is not a true merger or a F9/RH deal.
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Better re-read your Merger Committee Chairman's letter that was made
available.

He said Bond-MeKaskill is in play if an agreement isn't reached.

Of course, I'm sure you know better than he does.
 
kwick said:
Better re-read your Merger Committee Chairman's letter that was made
available.

He said Bond-MeKaskill is in play if an agreement isn't reached.

Of course, I'm sure you know better than he does.
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Well, of course it is. But never will apply if the Sub LLC is not fully merged into SWA. We come on here and talk what is fair and who is going to steal what seat. But what merger transaction is it the pre or sub? If I was a owner and had a sub biz, I could do what ever I want with. I am not saying that GK is going to shut down AT or sell assets. What I am saying is SWA has more control than you think. He could take 49% of the sub llc and merge it into mainline SWA. Then M/B will never apply.
 
roughneck said:
It is called strategery. They eliminated overlapping routes so the DOJ process is seemless and they optimized the flight schedule. It is a novel idea that has created nearly 40 years of profitability. You probably wouldn't be bought with chump change if your airline had the same type of forethought.

You are in severe denial if you think the flight cutbacks had anything to do with AirTran's competitive pressure. This was a well played strategic move and nothing more.
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Are you sure Gary Kelly's strategery wasn't to shift capacity from markets where there was stronger competitors (Airtran and Allegiant in Florida) to markets where there were weaker competitors (Frontier in Denver)?

Here are the capacity numbers for pre and post Great Recession/Fuel Spike of 2008/2009:

Airtran 2007: 22.7 Billion ASMs
Airtran 2010: 24.1 Billion ASMs (up about 6%)

Southwest 2007: 99.6 Billion ASMs
Southwest 2010: 98.4 Billion ASMs (down about 1%)

It looks like Airtran made it through the downturn pretty well and was able to find more opportunities for growth than Southwest (especially in the Caribbean). That is why Gary Kelly pulled the trigger on the deal. This merger makes both companies stronger than either of them would of been alone. I believe that was the exact words of Laura Wright at one of those Wall St airline conferences just last month.
 
maxblast72 said:
Are you sure Gary Kelly's strategery wasn't to shift capacity from markets where there was stronger competitors (Airtran and Allegiant in Florida) to markets where there were weaker competitors (Frontier in Denver)?

Here are the capacity numbers for pre and post Great Recession/Fuel Spike of 2008/2009:

Airtran 2007: 22.7 Billion ASMs
Airtran 2010: 24.1 Billion ASMs (up about 6%)

Southwest 2007: 99.6 Billion ASMs
Southwest 2010: 98.4 Billion ASMs (down about 1%)

It looks like Airtran made it through the downturn pretty well and was able to find more opportunities for growth than Southwest (especially in the Caribbean). That is why Gary Kelly pulled the trigger on the deal. This merger makes both companies stronger than either of them would of been alone. I believe that was the exact words of Laura Wright at one of those Wall St airline conferences just last month.
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I can agree with you max. Well self minded pilots all know that this is a good deal for all. But the growth you guys are lacking is going to come from SWA too. In a much larger way than you think.
 
Let's let the MCs negotiate for a "fair and equitable" list at the table or let an arbitration panel decide if a solution cannot be found at the table. We need to get this all behind us as soon as possible so we all focus on the real task at hand, increasing Southwest's percentage of the domestic O&D market from 21% to 30% (as Laura Wright talked about last month). What is good for Southwest Airlines will be good for all 8,000 of us pilots long term (and hopefully 10,000 by the end of this decade).
 
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kwick said:
Better re-read your Merger Committee Chairman's letter that was made
available.

He said Bond-MeKaskill is in play if an agreement isn't reached.

Of course, I'm sure you know better than he does.
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If BM is a player then GK can leave the citrus RJ vatos (AKA the Clampetts) in the RJ corral for ever if needed or he can give them what the Republic guys just got....a seven year fence.

If the Clampetts are so hard headed that they wont deal unless they can have what is not theirs then let them sit in the RJ corral making RJ wages until they decide to come over the the money side and get happy in the left seat.

The ALPA job killing machine has told them that they can get them into our left seats in addition to all the other stuff they are getting....wont happen they need to read BM a little closer and focus on the part that says that neither side will gain a wind fall.....a wind fall will be the Clampetts getting the money and every other good deal they are already getting and then also getting into our left seat.....Wont happen.

Enjoy life inside the wire.

Cheers Vato's
 
Hey Vixen,

Do you know that nobody reads what you post ? All they see is this:

flynvixen This message is hidden because flynvixen is on your ignore list.


:laugh:
 
dicko said:
Hey Vixen,

Do you know that nobody reads what you post ? All they see is this:

flynvixen This message is hidden because flynvixen is on your ignore list.


:laugh:
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Hey Dicko cant take the truth so hit ignore

your call sign says it all
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Is this Vixen tool for real? The people department really blew it with that one. I keep hearing about this great family like culture you guys have over there yet this buffoon insists on antagonizing your future in laws.
 
XRMEFLYER said:
Is this Vixen tool for real? The people department really blew it with that one. I keep hearing about this great family like culture you guys have over there yet this buffoon insists on antagonizing your future in laws.
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Let me start this on off with a note to xrmeflyer. Props are for boats
 

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