Game On

[jetwash]

And yes, I guess I'll have to take a pay raise if I get it. But it will be a shame that this money was squeezed out by low, immature means that threaten the stability of the paycheck rather than something that was honestly rewarded.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Thats funny !!!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:


You know you can refuse the pay raise :laugh:

Or how about donating it help pay for some of the owners fuel bills . I am sure Mr. Millionaire would be glad to have you help subsidize his vacation.

:laugh:

 

[50Pesos]

Skanza I have to give you credit, you have figured yourself out "Life is more difficult when you're stupid. ."

 

[dime line]

Which again proves that the only thing pro union folks are looking for is more money. There may be talk of "health care" "domicile" and other things, but they, like ALL others who have organised have one lazy thing in mind. $


And yes, I guess I'll have to take a pay raise if I get it. But it will be a shame that this money was squeezed out by low, immature means that threaten the stability of the paycheck rather than something that was honestly rewarded.

EVERYBODY on Flight Info;

This is FLOPS management at its best! Just Awesome

 

[B19 Flyer]

This month, with the 2007 IBB contract pulling the bar up, the CS pilots got another raise, as well. Currently the Options pilots are far behind and their calls for parity are fully justified.

You aren't very smart are you?

You love to make the statement that the IBB contract raised the bar. In essence, you state that the union should get credit for the changes at CS.

In reality, CS managers have let NJ be the guinea pigs for testing and have raised the payroll accordingly, just like the carrier I work for now. There are huge savings in keeping a union off the property, and by giving an increase, in effect saves money. As an example, I'll bet there are no volunteers at CS making money like your husband does for the union by not flying revenue therefore wasting company $$.

However, when the going gets tough, who do you want to work for most, the carrier that is locked into a CBA where the union doesn't budge and threatens the welfare of the company and all employees in it or the carrier that can adjust subtly to market pressures without jeapordizing the company? It's a no-brainer, I'll take the safety of the non-union carrier.

Delta is a great example of this theory. As the least unionized carrier, they were able to adjust and stay out of the threat of bankrupty the longest. In the end though, it was still the inaction of DALPA that pushed the carrier into protection.

Now that they are out of bankruptcy, they have the best opportunity to shine as they need only deal with one union instead of many.

TYPICAL UNION RHETORIC IS TAKING CREDIT FOR SOMEBODY ELSES WORK AND GIVING DISRESPECT FOR OTHERS AS NJW HAS WITH THIS STATEMENT:

 

[fischman]

Delta stayed out of bankruptcy the longest huh? Ever hear of a little airline called American?

 

[Helmsalee]

This guy sounds a lot like that B-something guy. Do I need to double my ignore list?

 

[B19 Flyer]

Delta stayed out of bankruptcy the longest huh? Ever hear of a little airline called American?

Yes, the unions acted as the AA lawyers were walking up the stairs of the courthouse the day of the filing. It was only by the threat of bankruptcy and the knowledge that the contract would be forcibly changed did APA react and prevent the bankruptcy. DAL wasn't even close for another 2 years.

 

[B19 Flyer]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Thats funny !!!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:


You know you can refuse the pay raise :laugh:

Or how about donating it help pay for some of the owners fuel bills . I am sure Mr. Millionaire would be glad to have you help subsidize his vacation.

:laugh:

I've seen it in an open shop. Why do you find it funny? There are those that would much prefer to keep every penny they've earned themselves rather than give a quarter to support the union.

 

[dime line]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Washington Post [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CEOs You Don't Want in the Cockpit [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Harold Meyerson[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It's a good thing that Donald J. Carty, the chairman and chief executive of American Airlines, doesn't also pilot one of its planes. If he did, and if the plane went into an uncontrolled dive and he handled it the same way he's running the company, he'd bail out as the plane fell to earth, drift dreamily down on a golden parachute, land lightly amid the carnage and give himself a nice cash bonus for coming through unscathed. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Over the past week it has become clear that Carty has engaged in the same kind of double-dealing, to conceal the same kind of double standards, that last year made his fellow Texan and CEO Ken Lay a household name. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]While Carty was convincing American's pilots, mechanics, flight attendants and baggage handlers that they had to accept major pay cuts (ranging from 15.6 percent to 23 percent, and kicking in on May 1) if the airline was to avoid bankruptcy, he was secretly crafting a "retention bonus" for American's top seven executives that would reward them for staying at their posts until 2005. The bonuses, all but one set at twice these executives' annual salaries (Carty's would total $1.6 million), weren't keyed to performance -- a prudent proviso, because American lost $5.3 billion in 2001-02 and things aren't exactly looking up yet. Instead, they seem to derive from the maxim of business guru Woody Allen, who once noted that 90 percent of life is just showing up. Carty's corollary is that if you run the company, just being there can be grounds for doubling your pay so long as nobody's on to you. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nor was this all. Even as top American executives were telling the pilots that the company would eliminate their pension plans if it had to file for bankruptcy, Carty and his crew had secretly created a special pension trust for the company's top 45 executives that no creditor could even touch during a bankruptcy proceeding. More wondrous still, Carty and three other top honchos were to be paid extra for administering this trust. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It gets worse. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]These marvelous new provisions had to be included in American's year-end report to the Securities and Exchange Commission, but the company managed to get an extension from the SEC to delay the filing. Throughout April, American's workers were voting on whether to accept these pay concessions to stave off bankruptcy. Voting was to have wrapped up last Tuesday, and on Tuesday night, in the apparent belief that all three unions had accepted the cuts, the company finally released the report. In fact, the flight attendants had narrowly voted to reject the givebacks, so the polls were kept open Wednesday until a majority had voted yes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Then the polls closed, not a moment too soon for management. As news of the secret deals spread, those American workers still grappling with the details of their Easter pageants had a casting director's epiphany: In a pinch, Donald J. Carty would make one swell Judas. On Thursday, leaders of one of the unions told Carty they might not sign the agreements that their members had, in all deliberate ignorance, ratified. Democratic members of Congress were rumbling too, and with American slated to receive $410 million from the emergency appropriation that Congress just enacted, Carty had to backtrack -- a little. He has now announced that the top seven execs won't be getting that retention bonus after all. The special pension plan for the special 45, however, will stay in place. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The real problem, of course, is that Don Carty isn't all that exceptional among his fellow corporate statesmen -- certainly not at many of the major airlines. Over at Continental, CEO Gordon Bethune pulled down a handsome $14.7 million last year -- a 172 percent increase over 2001, though the company lost $451 million. At Delta, chief executive Leo Mullin got himself paid $13.8 million -- a 104 percent increase over 2001, though Delta lost $1.27 billion. In this quadrant of American capitalism, at least, there is indeed a relation between executive pay and company performance. It's inverse. Or maybe there's a special problem with Texas CEOs. I know a former CEO of Halliburton Co., now the No. 2 in a larger concern, who keeps arguing that the public's legal right to oversee public business does not pertain to the topmost public executives when they meet to make energy policy and who knows what else. Then there's Dick Cheney's boss, who's out stumping for a budget that will force state governments to increase class sizes and cut medical care but will reward the richest 10 percent of Americans with massive tax cuts. When these guys think of shared sacrifice, the saps get the sacrifice and they get the shares. [/FONT]


Actually they wern't walking up the court house, check your normal flawed facts

 

[skyismyoffice]

Which again proves that the only thing pro union folks are looking for is more money. There may be talk of "health care" "domicile" and other things, but they, like ALL others who have organised have one lazy thing in mind. $


And yes, I guess I'll have to take a pay raise if I get it. But it will be a shame that this money was squeezed out by low, immature means that threaten the stability of the paycheck rather than something that was honestly rewarded.

What a dopey statement you management slug! And stop picking on Dime Line for his spelling - There is no 's' in organiZed.