G0Jets pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

[D'Angelo]

The airline is still a new one so I assume a lot of people dont have the mins to apply at some of the majors yet. I stand by my statement that a majority of pilots don't care whats going on anywhere else but their own airline. Most people at comair or other regionals have plenty else to worry about right now. It is a sad situation that is going on over there but everyone is fighting for survival right now and most don't even know who the hell *************************S is let alone what they are all about. Again only a minority of pilots get on this board, the rest are too busy living their lives and worrying about their own situations. Anyway this dead horse is beat. Just like freedom pilots got on at other airlines unfortunately *************************s pilots will get on at others too. Theres no such thing as unity anymore just different groups running around with their heads cut off.

 

[Reebo]

The airline is still a new one so I assume a lot of people dont have the mins to apply at some of the majors yet. I stand by my statement that a majority of pilots don't care whats going on anywhere else but their own airline. Most people at comair or other regionals have plenty else to worry about right now. It is a sad situation that is going on over there but everyone is fighting for survival right now and most don't even know who the hell *************************S is let alone what they are all about. Again only a minority of pilots get on this board, the rest are too busy living their lives and worrying about their own situations. Anyway this dead horse is beat. Just like freedom pilots got on at other airlines unfortunately *************************s pilots will get on at others too. Theres no such thing as unity anymore just different groups running around with their heads cut off.

Your post says it all. Why do you think your airline, COMAIR, is in trouble now, because of the G0JETs of the world willing to take away YOUR flying. You need to pay attention to ALL of the issues in this industry if you expect to make a career out of it.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Who the F gets hired at age 17 at a part 121 carrier?????? is that a misprint or is that the Ga_y Jets new posterboy?

 

[FlyHIToo]

Why do you think your airline, COMAIR, is in trouble now, because of the G0JETs of the world willing to take away YOUR flying. You need to pay attention to ALL of the issues in this industry if you expect to make a career out of it.

Just like :

MESA took away ACA's and Airwisky's
CHQ took away ComAir ASA's AE's and AirWI
Colgan took away CoEX and ACA's
TSA took away AE's and AirWI (uax)
SkyWest took away AirWI's and ACA's
AirWI took away TSA's

And just like all the above ALL took away: Delta's, United's, American's, UsAir's, CAL's, TWA's and America West's flying.

Southwest is the only major not hurt by all this in some matter. So the only comman factor is regionals. They have all been hurt by the regionals. Now that the regionals are doing to each other, what they have been doing for years to the majors, every one is upset.

This thread shows that anyone can and will bid on anyones flying:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=73420

 

[Traumahawk]

Can Anyone PM me a CURRENT Ho-Jets seniority List??

 

[JohnnyP]

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D'angelo summed it up pretty well. What do you plan on doing with that list traumahawk?

 

[Smarta$$]

Just like :

MESA took away ACA's and Airwisky's
CHQ took away ComAir ASA's AE's and AirWI
Colgan took away CoEX and ACA's
TSA took away AE's and AirWI (uax)
SkyWest took away AirWI's and ACA's
AirWI took away TSA's

And just like all the above ALL took away: Delta's, United's, American's, UsAir's, CAL's, TWA's and America West's flying.

Southwest is the only major not hurt by all this in some matter. So the only comman factor is regionals. They have all been hurt by the regionals. Now that the regionals are doing to each other, what they have been doing for years to the majors, every one is upset.

This thread shows that anyone can and will bid on anyones flying:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=73420

Your an idiot. Lets take your first example! Did Air Wisconsin's management start an ALTER EGO airline and name it Mesa. Or is Mesa A completely different company, with NO common offices, management, ownership, training dept, resorces, facilities, previous scab employees? Same question for all the rest of the examples.

I think you know the answer.

Or if you still dont get it, how about united comes to your gayjet management and says we have 10 more 700's for you but you have to do it for 10% cheaper. So then TSAH starts supershoveitinyoura$$gayjets airlines and gives those planes to the new a$$clowns. Still ok with you. You got no problem with that either?

By the way, I was at the TSA/Gayjets training center the other day and saw a couple of Gayjets pilots that were there for there first day of indoc. They were both sitting there and would not look up from their feet when others were around. Also, one of them was wearing lofers with NO SOCKS on his first day of training.

For those that have never been to the TSA/Gayjets offices and training center, It IS absolutely disgusting how interconnected both of those operations are. It is the farthest thing from Two seperate companies. It is like going into Kinko's and claiming that "Photo copies are a different company than Printing". or make macaroni and cheese. Call TSA the pasta and Gayjets the cheese. Same Idea.

 

[Frank Bama]

To all G0 Jet Pilots, picket line or no picket line, You will always be a scab in my book you low life scum.

 

[PCL_128]

At least ALPA will have a new president by the end of the year. I do not see Woerth getting re-elected.

I would be extremely surprised if Captain Woerth were not to get re-elected. The BOD doesn't share the same irrational hatred of the National Officers that the few members or this board do. Captain Woerth is in the unfortunate position of being in office during the worst time in this industry's history. From '98-'01 he received no ill-will whatsoever because times were good. Now, times are bad, so Captain Woerth takes the blame. I would bet that the BOD re-elects him by a large margin. I haven't even heard of an alternate candidate yet.

 

[N2264J]

Re: Go Jet pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

I would be extremely surprised if Captain Woerth were not to get re-elected. The BOD doesn't share the same irrational hatred of the National Officers that the few members or this board do.

Either way, I suspect the decision has already been made, the next president has already been chosen, and MECs like yours will have absolutely no say in the matter, whatsoever.

Captain Woerth is in the unfortunate position of being in office during the worst time in this industry's history. From '98-'01 he received no ill-will whatsoever because times were good. Now, times are bad, so Captain Woerth takes the blame. I would bet that the BOD re-elects him by a large margin. I haven't even heard of an alternate candidate yet.

Captain Woerth presided over ALPA while they made Merger and Alter ego policy toothless, then denied the Delta Comair ASA PID sending the signal to management everwhere that ALPA will not lift a finger to oppose alter egos on our end of the industry. Management took the que.

Is it any wonder "The Pilots Union" can't recruit anybody? It gives Comair pilots no pleasure that our management is now bidding on Pinnacle flying. By the way, how's that Brand Scope workin' out for ya?

 

[PCL_128]

Either way, I suspect the decision has already been made, the next president has already been chosen, and MECs like yours will have absolutely no say in the matter, whatsoever.

All you do with statements like this is prove your own ignorance. Do you even know how the ALPA President is elected? You do realize that the President is elected by the BOD don't you? Do you know who makes up the BOD? I'll give you a hint: the members of the PCL MEC do have some say in the matter.

 

[N2264J]

Re: GJ pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

All you do with statements like this is prove your own ignorance. Do you even know how the ALPA President is elected? You do realize that the President is elected by the BOD don't you? Do you know who makes up the BOD? I'll give you a hint: the members of the PCL MEC do have some say in the matter.

Been there, done that, got the T shirt.

Yes, I know the answers to all those questions and I stand by my statement.

 

[737 Pylt]

Yes, I know the answers to all those questions and I stand by my statement.

Then it stands to reason that you are just plain old ignorant....But what's to be expected from a "spin meister" member of the rjdc!?
BTW, how's that lawsuit working out for you??
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[jetfo]

The bottom line is this industry is truly every man for himself. We all had the chance to stand together 4-5 years ago and blew it. There will be no consequences for GJS pilots. At the end of the day they may get denied the jumpseat once in a while but they will be moving on to other airlines. The bottom line is most people are too busy worrying about their own situation. A lot of people don't even know what GJS is. A large majority of pilots do not read this board and do not really care what else is goin on in the industry. In the end theres a lot of talk on here but its all talk. Its a way for people to vent their frustration on the state of the industry. It never does any good but I guess it feels good to let some steam off.

You are quite correct, thank you!

 

[jetfo]

The lists NOT being the same is ALL of the problem. The union representation is not the issue at all. Once the lists are merged, GJ can stay Teamsters, it won't be a big deal. Heck, they can join the ACLU, it won't matter anymore.

Also, when the lists ARE merged, the GJ pukes will really get to eat crow. Gear up, and shut up, MF. Just like the Freedom pukes got when they were rightfully absorbed into Mesa.

Dream on!

 

[johndt]

You are quite correct, thank you!

"The industry is every man for himself" should not illicit your praise. We live in a country that is great b/c we look out for each other. We work in an industry that is hurting b/c we don't. You are dragging us all down with you; you should be (and someday hopefully will be) ashamed of yourself and your selfish decisions.

 

[N2264J]

Re: GJ pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

Then it stands to reason that you are just plain old ignorant...

Think so?

OK, name the hopefuls who ran against Woerth for president of ALPA in the last two "elections."

 

[Dart]

All you guys do is BIT$H about GJ! Dont ride on them and they wont ride on you.

 

[smellthejeta]

Just like :

MESA took away ACA's and Airwisky's
CHQ took away ComAir ASA's AE's and AirWI
Colgan took away CoEX and ACA's
TSA took away AE's and AirWI (uax)
SkyWest took away AirWI's and ACA's
AirWI took away TSA's

And just like all the above ALL took away: Delta's, United's, American's, UsAir's, CAL's, TWA's and America West's flying.

Southwest is the only major not hurt by all this in some matter. So the only comman factor is regionals. They have all been hurt by the regionals. Now that the regionals are doing to each other, what they have been doing for years to the majors, every one is upset.

This thread shows that anyone can and will bid on anyones flying:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=73420

Oh jeesus. Not this drivel again. My dog's no longer in this fight thank god. At least on the Blueridge side of the house, UNITED GAVE the flying to ACA. UNITED filed bankruptcy. UNITED rebid the contract. UNITED GAVE the flying to Mesa et al. UNITED cut the flying at small stations and GAVE the ground handling to the contract carriers. Sense a pattern here? Nobody TOOK anything. UNITED GAVE it all away.

I had to deal with this crap from gate agents as an NRSA all of the time. Okay, not all of the time, but often enough.

P.S., if I were a regional airline pilot, absolutely no way would I ever vote in ALPA representation. It's not a pissing match; I sincerely feel that there is a conflict of interest when the same national represents multiple companies competing for the same colde flying.

 

[N2264J]

Then it stands to reason that you are just plain old ignorant...

Think so? OK, name the hopefuls who ran against Woerth for president of ALPA in the last two "elections."

I'll time you and PCL_128 with a calendar.

 

[johndt]

All you guys do is BIT$H about GJ! Dont ride on them and they wont ride on you.

If only that were true. Unfortunately, that's the reason that the jumpseat was taken away at TSA. We refused to let GJ pilots sit there when they continually asked for it. I -don't- fly on GJ unless my company DH's me on them. Of course, I don't commute to work either.

 

[737 Pylt]

I'll time you and PCL_128 with a calendar.

Hey sparky, how's the lawsuit going??
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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[PCL_128]

I'll time you and PCL_128 with a calendar.

Have fun with that. Meanwhile, I'm counting up the number of claims in your silly little lawsuit that have already been thrown out. We're up to 9, soon to be all 10. Come on, N2264J, count them up with me! :smash:

 

[N2264J]

Re: GJ pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

I'll give you guys a clue:

Woerth "ran" unopposed in the last two "elections."

The guy pulls down $500 grand a year, including expenses, and there were no challegers in ALPA's "democracy." 62,000 members and no one else was up to it?

Curious, no?

Be sure to keep us advised how the Pinnacle pilots vote this time around.

 

[737 Pylt]

I'll give you guys a clue:

Woerth "ran" unopposed in the last two "elections."

The guy pulls down $500 grand a year, including expenses, and there were no challegers in ALPA's "democracy." 62,000 members and no one else was up to it?

Curious, no?

Be sure to keep us advised how the Pinnacle pilots vote this time around.

I'll give you a clue as well>> 9 out of 10 claims were thrown out by judge Glasser! Your ludicrous amount of money sought to bankrupt the union was tossed like parcely on a plate at a truckstop diner!
Curious, no?
Be sure to keep us advised on how well the lawsuit goes! I hope you're sending Haber his money, I hear spring time coming around usually indicates his pool at the Hampton's house needs retiling from you retards!
LMAO!
737

 

[N2264J]

Re: GJ pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

I'll give you a clue as well>> 9 out of 10 claims were thrown out by judge Glasser!

While the growing number of DFR lawsuits against ALPA may have something to do with ALPA's inability to recruit pilot groups, (Re: GJ pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters) I'm not sure what our litigation has to do with your assertion that I'm ignorant of how the president of ALPA ascends to office.

Hey sparky, how's the lawsuit going??

I posted this for you a few weeks ago on another thread but you apparently haven't read it or don't understand what it says.

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/litup_012006.pdf

 

[PCL_128]

The guy pulls down $500 grand a year, including expenses, and there were no challegers in ALPA's "democracy." 62,000 members and no one else was up to it?

Curious, no?

Curious? No, not at all. You couldn't pay me enough for that job. Captain Woerth spends every waking moment dealing with politicians and other policy-makers. I have no desire, nor the ability, to deal with such stuff. Neither do 99.9% of the other pilots out there. Finding someone that can do that job is extremely difficult.

Be sure to keep us advised how the Pinnacle pilots vote this time around.

I can assure you that it won't be a vote for concessions for growth like a certain DCI pilot group just voted for. I'll keep you updated though. Be sure you keep us updated on when the judge throws out your silly little lawsuit. Or, more accurately, what's left of it.

 

[TCBKING]

Haha.
You guys take the cake. In ten years no one will care, and they will have moved on, while 8-year FO's at 'quality' airlines will still be waiting for their upgrade.

There is no enforcement method in the industry to keep things fair and to give a disincentive for a GJ-type situation. If I lived in their domicile, I'd probably think about applying. If TSA pilots won their greivance and I was going to get stapled, I'd just leave for something else- no big deal.

It's been 'every man for himself' for years, we've just been pretending it is otherwise.

My guess is that most pilots really don't care. The flightinfo sample is not that meaningful, because most people are go-along-get-along types.

Besides, ALPA forgave an airline FULL of REAL scabs. Sure, maybe they can't jumpseat, but the fact is that they won. ALPA caved, and thought membership numbers trumped principle.

That is the future for the profession, my friends. Scream all you like, but nothing can fix it now. THere was no unity when everyone was growing like crazy a few years ago.

Now, with most pilot groups fearful and paranoid, we are somehow going to focus on the 'greater good'?

Naive. Very.

Sir,
You are THE problem with this industry. Do us all a favor and find another one to poison.uke:

 

[N2264J]

Re: GJ pilots unanimously vote in Teamsters

I have no desire, nor the ability, to deal with such stuff. Neither do 99.9% of the other pilots out there. Finding someone that can do that job is extremely difficult.

Are you drunk? Notwithstanding your lack of ability for the position, (no argument from me there) I suspect there are plenty of ALPA members who could run this union into the ground just as disasterously for half of what Woerth makes.

 

[737 Pylt]

I posted this for you a few weeks ago on another thread but you apparently haven't read it or don't understand what it says.

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/litup_012006.pdf

Thanks, makes for great toilet paper!
So to sum it up.....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.....We need your support, send in more money so we can pay our lawyer.....Lies lies lies lies......We'll make you all 777 captains if you keep sending us more money so we can get scope abolished.....Twisted facts.....Blah blah blah.....We've requested more documents from alpa....blah blah blah
Your lawsuit is as pathetic as you!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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