Future hiring of Skywesters

[Nevets]

The presidents of SWAPA, IPA, and APA ALL support Skywest pilots voting for ALPA. Did you guys not see the full page add in the October 9th issue of the USA Today with the letter signed by them?

By the way, all these airlines "buy" services from ALPA. They have also had collective meetings with each other. They all support each other.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Think of it as a personal bias, the questions asked may be very discrete/obscure nature. A applicants biases come out during an interview, and someone who is vehement about a subject will color his/her answers. Interviewing is a very delicate balancing act, and as such a reason for non selection will be very vague, just not our kind of applicant. Those very guys who interviewed at LUV were known to me as very-anti union folks, but good pilots, nice guys too! The reason that the airline has a pilot representativ on the interview panel is simple, we have to spend long hours in a close quarters working environment. And as such it becomes a personality/qualifications sifting process.
PBR

 

[auspac]

Does anyone know if there has been an ALPA drive at Southwest? If so, how long ago?

Is there any effort among Southwest pilots to gain Alpa representation now?

 

[auspac]

Think of it as a personal bias, the questions asked may be very discrete/obscure nature. A applicants biases come out during an interview, and someone who is vehement about a subject will color his/her answers. Interviewing is a very delicate balancing act, and as such a reason for non selection will be very vague, just not our kind of applicant. Those very guys who interviewed at LUV were known to me as very-anti union folks, but good pilots, nice guys too! The reason that the airline has a pilot representativ on the interview panel is simple, we have to spend long hours in a close quarters working environment. And as such it becomes a personality/qualifications sifting process.
PBR

True, but I would hazard to guess that there are at least some hiring board captains who may be very pro SWAPA but aren't overly enthused about ALPA. I wonder how many Southwest pilots came from ALPA carriers. If you were to rah, rah, rah ALPA during your interview you could just as easily hit a nerve as if you were anti-union. I guess it would depend on who you got.

 

[Jungle_Jet]

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[Morning Wood]

Has ALPA always been on property at ASA, Comair, Horizon, etc etc? Were pilots from these airlines hired at majors before voting in ALPA? I think we all know the answer to that one.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Has ALPA always been on property at ASA, Comair, Horizon, etc etc? Were pilots from these airlines hired at majors before voting in ALPA? I think we all know the answer to that one.

Did the pilot groups at those airlines vote no to a union not once, but three times? I think we all know the answer to that one.

 

[Nevets]

Has ALPA always been on property at ASA, Comair, Horizon, etc etc? Were pilots from these airlines hired at majors before voting in ALPA? I think we all know the answer to that one.

And not all major airlines were ALPA to begin with either.

The fact of the matter is that the presidents of SWAPA, APA, and IPA ALL have signed a letter supporting Skywest pilots to vote for ALPA.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

True, but I would hazard to guess that there are at least some hiring board captains who may be very pro SWAPA but aren't overly enthused about ALPA. I wonder how many Southwest pilots came from ALPA carriers. If you were to rah, rah, rah ALPA during your interview you could just as easily hit a nerve as if you were anti-union. I guess it would depend on who you got.

Bingo,
You are getting the picture, voting for collective bargaining, no matter who that is, the issue. Rejecting that very issue not one but three times is an issue. SKYW up until very recently has been very selective about who they hire, my interview was about 10 years ago and was very delicately quizzed about unions, I was purposefully non committal about the answers, knowing full well who I was interviewing with. SKYW had stacked the new hire classes with a very closely held formula of newhires mixed with prior 121 and flight instructors, knowing that the law of primacy will prevail. These newbies drank the cool aid deeply, and the stains linger. That formula is no longer possible and they are hiring anyone who is breathing and can find their way to the airport(sorry guys, you are not being hired for your Chuck Yaegerish skills, just a pulse). In short, it doesn't matter who you are collectively bargained with, just that you are!
PBR

 

[Morning Wood]

Did the pilot groups at those airlines vote no to a union not once, but three times? I think we all know the answer to that one.

So then why weren't they threatened with not getting hired at a major every other time a vote has happened? United, Southwest, Delta et al have continued hiring qualified pilots, regardless of their union proclivities prior to and after each previous union vote. There are many reasons to vote yes, but a veiled threat isn't one of them.

 

[vtech]

SKYW up until very recently has been very selective about who they hire, my interview was about 10 years ago and was very delicately quizzed about unions, I was purposefully non committal about the answers, knowing full well who I was interviewing with. SKYW had stacked the new hire classes with a very closely held formula of newhires mixed with prior 121 and flight instructors, knowing that the law of primacy will prevail. These newbies drank the cool aid deeply, and the stains linger. That formula is no longer possible . . .

I think you'd better push back from the keyboard and check for the black ops helicopters circling overhead your crib, homey. You got into some bad s#&t, dude. Hope it wears off after a while. Good luck with those voices in your head too.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

It seems hypocritical to vote no for a union at Skywest and then expect to move on to an union major airline later. Am I the only one who thinks this way?

 

[SkyNation]

different airlines all have entirely different scenarios.

it's one thing to voluntary vote in a union that doesn't presently exist at your carrier. It's quite another to join an organization where one is already in place.

Is it hypocritical to apply for, interview for, train for, and perform a job for a carrier that is not unionized and then piss and moan that we're not union?

 

[Nevets]

different airlines all have entirely different scenarios.

it's one thing to voluntary vote in a union that doesn't presently exist at your carrier. It's quite another to join an organization where one is already in place.

Is it hypocritical to apply for, interview for, train for, and perform a job for a carrier that is not unionized and then piss and moan that we're not union?

I don't think you have to join the union when you get to a major. But we are ALL on the same team regardless. That is why the presidents of SWAPA, APA and IPA signed the letter in the USA Today ad. Its no different at Skywest as it is at SWA, CAL, FDX, NetJets, etc.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I don't think you have to join the union when you get to a major. But we are ALL on the same team regardless. That is why the presidents of SWAPA, APA and IPA signed the letter in the USA Today ad. Its no different at Skywest as it is at SWA, CAL, FDX, NetJets, etc.

Except for one problem. Some of these anti-union tools at Skywest think that it is all about them. What team? Me me me mine....