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jobear,
Chautauqua is no more an alter ego carrier for these companies than say Skyway is for Midwest Express. That is your airline, isn't it?
It's ironic that before all this furlough bullsh!t started that at least 11 of your fellow co-workers are/were trying to get on at CHQ. They want to improve their lives, I guess. Or maybe they see the writing on the wall in MKE!
Keep the blue side up!
Chautauqua is no more an alter ego carrier for these companies than say Skyway is for Midwest Express. That is your airline, isn't it?
It's ironic that before all this furlough bullsh!t started that at least 11 of your fellow co-workers are/were trying to get on at CHQ. They want to improve their lives, I guess. Or maybe they see the writing on the wall in MKE!
Keep the blue side up!
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Re: SKKAABBBB
I hate to tell you this, but I checked with DALPA on this one and they gave their blessings on working for them. Not saying that IM going to, but there might be others that are desparate enough to do it. Whether you agree with me or not, this is not struck work and you would not be a scab if you worked for Republic. Erosion of the industry? Absolutely, I'll agree with you 100%, but would I consider a Republic pilot a scab....... nope. JMHO............................... nothing else.
FlyingFarmer said:
I hate to tell you this, but I checked with DALPA on this one and they gave their blessings on working for them. Not saying that IM going to, but there might be others that are desparate enough to do it. Whether you agree with me or not, this is not struck work and you would not be a scab if you worked for Republic. Erosion of the industry? Absolutely, I'll agree with you 100%, but would I consider a Republic pilot a scab....... nope. JMHO............................... nothing else.
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Kingairer,
Dude........ you have no idea what your talking about. Show me where it says that CHQ own SDF-DCA. Tomorrow, US Air can put a PDT jet on that route, just like Delta did with Comair, ASA, Skywest and CHit Taco. Routes have been taken over back and forth and guess what, its not struck work. NON of them are scabs. Im sorry to tell you this, but there are legal loops that have to be jumped through before any pilot group can strike. It could take a while, before CHQ could strike, and by then the routes will be mishmashed between all the other companies that fly for US Air, Delta, or whomever. Look, Im not trying to be rude here, if I am? I apologize, but by looking at your profile?????? From what experience do you come to these conclusions with? It doesn't even look like you've been half way around the block yet and your calling people scabs? I really don't think you know how powerful that word is in this industry and when you use it, you better know what the hell your talking about or you could find yourself in a world of hurt. Again JMHO......
Just to give you an idea of a scab.......
If CHQ goes on strike and they park their planes, if there are any pilots (other then management) that fly CHQ planes on their routes..... well that pilot would be considered a scab. Whether its a newbie or a CHQ pilot, it doesn't matter, they are still considered to be a scab. At an alter ego career, those pilots would be considered low lifes, not scabs. Big difference, eventhough they would be treated the same.
Dude........ you have no idea what your talking about. Show me where it says that CHQ own SDF-DCA. Tomorrow, US Air can put a PDT jet on that route, just like Delta did with Comair, ASA, Skywest and CHit Taco. Routes have been taken over back and forth and guess what, its not struck work. NON of them are scabs. Im sorry to tell you this, but there are legal loops that have to be jumped through before any pilot group can strike. It could take a while, before CHQ could strike, and by then the routes will be mishmashed between all the other companies that fly for US Air, Delta, or whomever. Look, Im not trying to be rude here, if I am? I apologize, but by looking at your profile?????? From what experience do you come to these conclusions with? It doesn't even look like you've been half way around the block yet and your calling people scabs? I really don't think you know how powerful that word is in this industry and when you use it, you better know what the hell your talking about or you could find yourself in a world of hurt. Again JMHO......
Just to give you an idea of a scab.......
If CHQ goes on strike and they park their planes, if there are any pilots (other then management) that fly CHQ planes on their routes..... well that pilot would be considered a scab. Whether its a newbie or a CHQ pilot, it doesn't matter, they are still considered to be a scab. At an alter ego career, those pilots would be considered low lifes, not scabs. Big difference, eventhough they would be treated the same.
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panchovilla
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People in glass houses...
Jobear,
Reap what you sow?
Where do I start...last time I checked, MidEx had more pilots on furlough than Skyw...'scuse me...Midwest Connect. You think your bretheren mainline pilots aren't pissed that routes go to you guys instead of staying on the -9 or the -80?
How on Earth can you make a statement like that? Do you like to see people get furloughed? Oh, wait, pardon me - the pilots make all the decisions on codeshares, what routes to fly, and personally meet before each flight and say "Hmmm...well, this route used to a TWA route, and then an American route, and then an Eagle route, so you know what, we're not going to fly this one today." Right. Anyone know of an airline out there that does this? Jo, I certainly didn't hear any of the Skyway pilots saying this as they flew their 328 jet from Milwaukee to Raleigh Durham over the past year and a half.
I find these comments especially surprising coming from you as there are quite a few folks who made the move to CHQ from SYX.
But you know what, that's what great about these message boards. You get to make broad, sweeping, asinine and anonymous posts like this, and no one knows who you are...or do they?
And by the way, thanks for the concessions.
-panch
Jobear,
Reap what you sow?
Where do I start...last time I checked, MidEx had more pilots on furlough than Skyw...'scuse me...Midwest Connect. You think your bretheren mainline pilots aren't pissed that routes go to you guys instead of staying on the -9 or the -80?
How on Earth can you make a statement like that? Do you like to see people get furloughed? Oh, wait, pardon me - the pilots make all the decisions on codeshares, what routes to fly, and personally meet before each flight and say "Hmmm...well, this route used to a TWA route, and then an American route, and then an Eagle route, so you know what, we're not going to fly this one today." Right. Anyone know of an airline out there that does this? Jo, I certainly didn't hear any of the Skyway pilots saying this as they flew their 328 jet from Milwaukee to Raleigh Durham over the past year and a half.
I find these comments especially surprising coming from you as there are quite a few folks who made the move to CHQ from SYX.
But you know what, that's what great about these message boards. You get to make broad, sweeping, asinine and anonymous posts like this, and no one knows who you are...or do they?
And by the way, thanks for the concessions.
-panch
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Can I declare a moratorium on referring to Chautauqua as "Chit Taco" (or the obvious, nastier version thereof)?
Is this what passes for wit these days? Right up there with "You drive a Ford? Found on road dead! Huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh" (pronounce with a Beavis & Butthead tone)....
Nobody is impressed by how flippin' clever you are using the very, very old "Chit Taco" reference. Please try to elevate this thing above the level of 13 year-olds.
Is this what passes for wit these days? Right up there with "You drive a Ford? Found on road dead! Huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh" (pronounce with a Beavis & Butthead tone)....
Nobody is impressed by how flippin' clever you are using the very, very old "Chit Taco" reference. Please try to elevate this thing above the level of 13 year-olds.
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I second the motion, IPF. "Chit Taco" is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, honestly. At least "Chiquita" was funny for its double entendre....
As for JoeBear... We were doing such a great job of ignoring his stupid a-s-s, why don't we continue to do so? His post was intended to troll for flames and nothing more. Put JB on MUTE and let the educated discussion continue without him.
As for JoeBear... We were doing such a great job of ignoring his stupid a-s-s, why don't we continue to do so? His post was intended to troll for flames and nothing more. Put JB on MUTE and let the educated discussion continue without him.
jobear
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Please read
And try and understand
1. I can not even come close to spelling Chataqua correctly
2. I am only trying to say a few simple things:
A. some of the current flying being done by CHT is at the cost
of jobs at other Regionals Period.
B. As pilots we have simple choices when it comes to whom we
work.Does working here hurt my profession as a whole not
just my corner of it.
3. With the furloughs mainline at all airlines it is inevetable that we will fly for our parents. SKYX is turning back over to big brother almost all the flying we were doing for them.
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How on Earth can you make a statement like that? Do you like to see people get furloughed? Oh, wait, pardon me - the pilots make all the decisions on codeshares, what routes to fly, and personally meet before each flight and say "Hmmm...well, this route used to a TWA route, and then an American route, and then an Eagle route, so you know what, we're not going to fly this one today." Right.
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No we make the desicion to work there, No one was forced into there jobs.
Jobear
PS* Believe me when I say I'm not trying to flame just express how I feel*
And try and understand
1. I can not even come close to spelling Chataqua correctly
2. I am only trying to say a few simple things:
A. some of the current flying being done by CHT is at the cost
of jobs at other Regionals Period.
B. As pilots we have simple choices when it comes to whom we
work.Does working here hurt my profession as a whole not
just my corner of it.
3. With the furloughs mainline at all airlines it is inevetable that we will fly for our parents. SKYX is turning back over to big brother almost all the flying we were doing for them.
___________________________________________________
How on Earth can you make a statement like that? Do you like to see people get furloughed? Oh, wait, pardon me - the pilots make all the decisions on codeshares, what routes to fly, and personally meet before each flight and say "Hmmm...well, this route used to a TWA route, and then an American route, and then an Eagle route, so you know what, we're not going to fly this one today." Right.
____________________________________________________
No we make the desicion to work there, No one was forced into there jobs.
Jobear
PS* Believe me when I say I'm not trying to flame just express how I feel*
Skull-One
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1) Try spelling "CHQ." It's a lot easier.
2) A) CHQ flying is at the cost of other Majors, too. I'm sure SWA stays up late at night for all that STL-SHV flying I'm doing.
B) We were not created and owned by Delta to screw Comair...using Comair's money to do it...Comair's people to train and form it....while Comair was in negotiations on its long-expired contract. (Substitute any other airline you wish for "Comair".) It is not the same thing as picking up a codeshare!
Now I will return to ignoring your trolling....................I hope others will, too.
2) A) CHQ flying is at the cost of other Majors, too. I'm sure SWA stays up late at night for all that STL-SHV flying I'm doing.
B) We were not created and owned by Delta to screw Comair...using Comair's money to do it...Comair's people to train and form it....while Comair was in negotiations on its long-expired contract. (Substitute any other airline you wish for "Comair".) It is not the same thing as picking up a codeshare!
Now I will return to ignoring your trolling....................I hope others will, too.
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I am continually amazed at the comments made by fellow pilots regarding Chautauqua.
If you look back, Chautuaqua as been flying for US Airways since 1976 which is longer than many of you have been alive.
Chautauqua has been in existance longer than many regional airlines flying today, so please do not make it sound like we just started operations to mess with all other regional carriers.
Chautauqua's makes its money from flying for airlines per contracts given by major airlines. We have always made our money that way, and we will continue to survive that way.
If we make a deal with an airline that you do not like, its not anyones fault, we were just able to do the job at a better rate. When you go to buy a car, do you buy the car with the highest price tag? I would think not. When airlines shop around, its the same thing, however; Chautuaqua as a long reputation of high completion factors and on-time performace which is a factor that is highly considered in contract dealings.
Jobear... your simply an idiot calling us an alter-ego. You need to just put the crack pipe down, close your mouth, and learn what you are talking about before you start typing! The aviation business is competition. Do you not think that major airlines are not competing on a daily basis? So are Regional airlines. We compete for contract. So don't give me that BS about CHQ taking regional jobs. If your angry with anyone it should be your managment for not making your comany more competitive.
Grow up!
If you look back, Chautuaqua as been flying for US Airways since 1976 which is longer than many of you have been alive.
Chautauqua has been in existance longer than many regional airlines flying today, so please do not make it sound like we just started operations to mess with all other regional carriers.
Chautauqua's makes its money from flying for airlines per contracts given by major airlines. We have always made our money that way, and we will continue to survive that way.
If we make a deal with an airline that you do not like, its not anyones fault, we were just able to do the job at a better rate. When you go to buy a car, do you buy the car with the highest price tag? I would think not. When airlines shop around, its the same thing, however; Chautuaqua as a long reputation of high completion factors and on-time performace which is a factor that is highly considered in contract dealings.
Jobear... your simply an idiot calling us an alter-ego. You need to just put the crack pipe down, close your mouth, and learn what you are talking about before you start typing! The aviation business is competition. Do you not think that major airlines are not competing on a daily basis? So are Regional airlines. We compete for contract. So don't give me that BS about CHQ taking regional jobs. If your angry with anyone it should be your managment for not making your comany more competitive.
Grow up!
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pilot ron
dude shut your pie hole. your right, you get the flying because airlines shop around for the lower rate. why do you think your company is able to offer their service at a lower rate. you guys work for piss poor pay. strike, please, then see how much flying you get when your payed the money you deserve.
dude shut your pie hole. your right, you get the flying because airlines shop around for the lower rate. why do you think your company is able to offer their service at a lower rate. you guys work for piss poor pay. strike, please, then see how much flying you get when your payed the money you deserve.
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Re: pilot ron
ROFLMAO...
"DUDE" Do you even read your own comments? Do you honestly think we are trying to price ourselves out of work? Is that what happened to your company? If so, you have bigger problems then to worry about us.
Nobody is paid what the deserve.. You get paid what you negotiate.
rogerroger said:
ROFLMAO...
"DUDE" Do you even read your own comments? Do you honestly think we are trying to price ourselves out of work? Is that what happened to your company? If so, you have bigger problems then to worry about us.
Nobody is paid what the deserve.. You get paid what you negotiate.
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Roger, you are an ignorant a s s hole....shut up!
We do not get the contracts we get based on poor pilot compensation. I've already posted a detailed analysis to prove this--search the forums for it. We get them because our jet is the lowest priced, least expensive to operate, and most capable in its class for the job! PERIOD. If we were flying CRJs we wouldn't get near as much business as we do. EXCLAMATION POINT!
Don't let me forget to mention performance. If we weren't able to deliver a good product it wouldn't matter what airplane we flew.
Shut the F*CK up........
We do not get the contracts we get based on poor pilot compensation. I've already posted a detailed analysis to prove this--search the forums for it. We get them because our jet is the lowest priced, least expensive to operate, and most capable in its class for the job! PERIOD. If we were flying CRJs we wouldn't get near as much business as we do. EXCLAMATION POINT!
Don't let me forget to mention performance. If we weren't able to deliver a good product it wouldn't matter what airplane we flew.
Shut the F*CK up........
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brew3departure
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I know, I know - ignore
Jobear said >>
And try and understand
1. I can not even come close to spelling Chataqua correctly
2. I am only trying to say a few simple things:
A. some of the current flying being done by CHT is at the cost
of jobs at other Regionals Period.
B. As pilots we have simple choices when it comes to whom we
work.Does working here hurt my profession as a whole not
just my corner of it.
3. With the furloughs mainline at all airlines it is inevetable that we will fly for our parents. SKYX is turning back over to big brother almost all the flying we were doing for them
<< (snip)
Alright, I know we're all supposed to ignore this idiot, but ... there's just one thing I've got to say:
Didn't SYX take the remainder of the GLA flying, insomuch as they CLOSED their Chicago base? And...hmm...wonder why that happened - perhaps because SYX UNDERBID GLA??
How do you explain that one?
By your definition, Jobear, you're hurting your own profession every time you fly that Beech to Ironwood or wherever the *ell.
Think before you speak.
Jobear said >>
And try and understand
1. I can not even come close to spelling Chataqua correctly
2. I am only trying to say a few simple things:
A. some of the current flying being done by CHT is at the cost
of jobs at other Regionals Period.
B. As pilots we have simple choices when it comes to whom we
work.Does working here hurt my profession as a whole not
just my corner of it.
3. With the furloughs mainline at all airlines it is inevetable that we will fly for our parents. SKYX is turning back over to big brother almost all the flying we were doing for them
<< (snip)
Alright, I know we're all supposed to ignore this idiot, but ... there's just one thing I've got to say:
Didn't SYX take the remainder of the GLA flying, insomuch as they CLOSED their Chicago base? And...hmm...wonder why that happened - perhaps because SYX UNDERBID GLA??
How do you explain that one?
By your definition, Jobear, you're hurting your own profession every time you fly that Beech to Ironwood or wherever the *ell.
Think before you speak.
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