Furloughees getting Longevity?

[GoABX]

What is your airline's policy (or CBA) regarding returning furloughees getting pay longevity for their time on the street and having another waiting period for medical benefits?

 

[DAL737FO]

Longevity continued as if we never left property (pay, retirement, etc) One unusual thing is that people that had not completed probation will come back on probation to finish out their year. So you will have guys/gals with four to six years of seniority still on probation.

 

[PHX767]

Not at AA

No credit for longevity. Leave at 2nd year pay, be out 5 years and come back at 2nd year pay.

 

[dlredline]

No longevity at USAirways while on furlough (big surprise). On top of that, if you accept a position at MDA flying as an E170 Captain (remember, MDA uses the USAirways 121 certificate), you actually go to first year scale, even though wholly-owned pilots get to bring their regional longevity with them to MDA. 15+ years at mainline doesn't buy you squat.

But wait, there's more . . .

USAirways now wants to furlough out of seniority, provide no furlough pay (usually 5.5 months), cancel furloughee insurance protection immediately on furlough, cancel retiree insurance . . . sorry, there's more, but I'm about to cough up a hair ball . . .

Red

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Everything is negociable!

No credit for longevity. Leave at 2nd year pay, be out 5 years and come back at 2nd year pay.

This may be true, but the AA guys that were furloughed in the early '90s got longevity in the contract after they returned from furlough. I don't think there was any retro.-pay, but it would have been nice to jump from 2-4 years pay to 4-6, etc.

 

[G4G5]

This may be true, but the AA guys that were furloughed in the early '90s got longevity in the contract after they returned from furlough. I don't think there was any retro.-pay, but it would have been nice to jump from 2-4 years pay to 4-6, etc.

This was not something that was offered up by AMR mgt. It had to be fought for by the APA. That has always been the case at AA. Never once have they come to the table like at DAL and UAL to offer longevity.


The longevity that the last round of furloughed folks got was because AMR purchased Reno air while AA still had pilots out on furlough. AMR mgt had to agree to give longevity and all the jobs back or the union would have kiboshed the deal.

IMHO, you will not see longevity this time around for AA. Why?
1. For the first time the company offered to recind the 10 year recall limit. They did this with the last contract/give back. This is something that AA mgt offered up, the union didn't even consider that guys would be out that long. So the company must expect that guys will be out 10+ years. Which means that some 2-3 year pilots could be brought back at max 12 year pay rates. Never happen.

2.AMR mgt will not be offering up longevity because they have no interst in bring back a pilot who has been out on the streets for 5-10 years. Think about it. When congress gets rid of the age 60 rule, that will virtually put a hault to all retirements for 5 years. AA would rather start fresh with a 20 something newby that has been working for peanuts at a regional, than recall a pissed off 40 something pilot who has been out of aviation for 10 years. Their is no way that they will offer longevity pay this time around.

3.Heck the existing AA pilots can't even stay out of open time. No less offer medical bennies like DAL. The APA even let most of the TWA pilots go out with NO travel bennies. The existing AA pilots only get 2 years, IF they didn't call in sick. The existing AA pilots will be looking out for themselves, when it comes down to having to give something back to the company so a furloughed pilot can get longevity, never happen.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

We are in agreement!

This was not something that was offered up by AMR mgt. It had to be fought for by the APA. That has always been the case at AA. Never once have they come to the table like at DAL and UAL to offer longevity.


The longevity that the last round of furloughed folks got was because AMR purchased Reno air while AA still had pilots out on furlough. AMR mgt had to agree to give longevity and all the jobs back or the union would have kiboshed the deal.

IMHO, you will not see longevity this time around for AA. Why?
1. For the first time the company offered to recind the 10 year recall limit. They did this with the last contract/give back. This is something that AA mgt offered up, the union didn't even consider that guys would be out that long. So the company must expect that guys will be out 10+ years. Which means that some 2-3 year pilots could be brought back at max 12 year pay rates. Never happen.

2.AMR mgt will not be offering up longevity because they have no interst in bring back a pilot who has been out on the streets for 5-10 years. Think about it. When congress gets rid of the age 60 rule, that will virtually put a hault to all retirements for 5 years. AA would rather start fresh with a 20 something newby that has been working for peanuts at a regional, than recall a pissed off 40 something pilot who has been out of aviation for 10 years. Their is no way that they will offer longevity pay this time around.

3.Heck the existing AA pilots can't even stay out of open time. No less offer medical bennies like DAL. The APA even let most of the TWA pilots go out with NO travel bennies. The existing AA pilots only get 2 years, IF they didn't call in sick. The existing AA pilots will be looking out for themselves, when it comes down to having to give something back to the company so a furloughed pilot can get longevity, never happen.

I agree witht the above and that is what I tried to state, that is was negociated. I was one of the furloughees with no travel benefits (maybe it was 90 days, I don't recall). I will hit the two year on the street mark on 11/1 and I have no flowback option either, just missed it (not that I was interested, but the opportunity would have been nice). I turn 42 in Nov. and maybe I will get recalled around 50, maybe.

Longevity for many is a moot point since many of the TWA folks are close to or beyond the 12 mark before they hit the street.