Furloughed Eagle Pilots

[NRHPilot]

For those of you that will soon be recalled, you may not be headed for "the rock". They announced today that some of you will be offered the CRJ in ORD. Hope to see you soon!

 

[General Lee]

Is that the CR7 in ORD, or the ERJ? I didn't know they were bringing CRJ-700s to ORD. Nice.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[buzzer]

NRH are you in the NOV 10th class?

 

[NRHPilot]

Yes the CRJ and the ERJ are both going to be in ORD. Not enough current FO's bid for it on the vacany bid that closed this week, so they will fill the remaining vacancies with some furloghed pilots.

 

[Heavy Set]

Why would existing pilots NOT bid the CRJ-700? Seems like a great airplane. Any reasons why you would not bid it (besides a change of bases - i.e., from DFW to ORD)?

 

[jetexas]

There is no pay raise to go jet (ERJ) to jet (CRJ). The guys that are ERJ FO's don't want to make reserve pay for the 2 months in training (at least i am speaking for myself)

I have no idea about the other turboprop guys. I thought there was a bunch of FO's in SJU that were trying to get back stateside. Kinda curious isn't it?

 

[Loafman]

I wondered that myself. Do the guys on the rock read email.

 

[nimtz]

There is no pay raise to go jet (ERJ) to jet (CRJ). The guys that are ERJ FO's don't want to make reserve pay for the 2 months in training (at least i am speaking for myself)

Sorry Eagle guys, I feel for ya' but gotta vent. Let me get this straight. You guys have a pay difference between the 145/140/135 for the FO seat, BUT the 70 seater gives no increase in pay. That my friends is called hypocrisy. That is one weak arse MEC...

 

[NRHPilot]

This is true, unlike Comair we have no pay increase from the ERJ to the CRJ for FO's. Many guys will problably just stay where they are at in the ERJ or Saab because they may just not want to be in training during the Holidays or for other personal reasons.

 

[NRHPilot]

nimtz,
There is no jet pay difference for an FO on the 135/140/145. There are two pay scales here JET FO and Turboprop FO. That is all we get.

 

[jetexas]

A part of me says that it is ridiculous to work for such low wages as an FO on a 50 seat jet ... And even more ridiculous to make the same wage to fly a 70 seat jet. My own personal revolt I guess.

 

[nimtz]

nimtz,
There is no jet pay difference for an FO on the 135/140/145. There are two pay scales here JET FO and Turboprop FO. That is all we get.

That's my mistake then. I thought I remember my buddy at Eagle saying both captains and fo's had seperate pay for the three different hulls. We have it at Xjet for the 135/145, but only for captains. We hate it so much that I can guarentee it's high on the agenda to be ridden of during compensation talks.

As for the same pay for the 50 vs. 70, my feelings on that have been well documented on this forum. Collectively too many of us have taken this 'regional means long-thin flying that cannot support those pay rates' arguement and let management shove it right up our *ss. Seventy seats is mainline flying period!

 

[avrodriver]

Yes it's crap, but Eagle is not alone....I'm guessing on some of these but Air Wisconsin, CHQ, Skywest, and Mesaba (SF3 same as ARJ) I'm not sure about Mesa (but it would be no surprise).........all pay the same for flying a 50 or 70 seat jet. Some of these contracts ie Air Willy, Skywest, CHQ and Mesa are BRAND NEW.............how old is Eagles contract???? No love for F/O's, no surprise when the guys at the table usually aren't one. AD

 

[BE99chick]

Wisconsin just took a 7% paycut for the CRJs and a 9% cut for the BAe 146s, with a scale averaging system that's supposed to keep the pay above eveybody else's.

Yeah, the indexed averaging system works REAL well at Eagle, just ask anybody there.

There are scales in the new Wisconsin TA for 51-70 seats. Captains make more for going to the 70 seat from the 50 seater, but FOs don't make more until they go to the 146.

Eagle has that lovely 16 year contract with a LONG time left.... don't feel too bad guys, Wisconsin's new contract lasts until 2011...paycuts and all.

 

[eaglefly]

nimitz, the "weak ass MEC" you speak of was the one who concocted this deal in '97.

NOT the current one.

 

[nimtz]

nimitz, the "weak ass MEC" you speak of was the one who concocted this deal in '97.

NOT the current one.

I hope things turn around as best possible for you guys. It's hurtful to all of us to have the largest regional unable to negotiate real wages/benefits until 2012. Hopefully what we do in negotiations helps your industry rate garbage. Your MEC did a good job of standing up to APA. I knew from day one they were only out to leave tread marks on your backs.

 

[FO 4 Life]

Most of the prop FOs would be really junior on the RJ. It's why they've all stayed on the props. The recalled pilots are serving out the remainder their new hire seat lock and are unable to bid the RJ. So some lucky recalls get CRJ ORD instead of ATR SJU.

 

[F-eagle]

I didn't bid the CRJ because there aren't enough lines. My thoughts are with a small number of CRJ's in ORD the lines will probably suck, so, I went to the ERJ. But then again the CRJ has two FA's, ah crap I never thought of that, to late now. Oh well, probaly better with just one anyway, less problems to deal with.

 

[Loafman]

Thats why I bid the ATR....

 

[luvthedc10]

Hey Eagle guys, just curious........

Had heard from an eagle f/o that upgrade for one of the bottom 180 f/o's will come by next summer and that eagle will be at 5000 pilots by 2006....could this be true? I thought with APA taking all new jet captain slots on additional orders for eagle aircraft that upgrades would run slow!

Thanks!

 

[FO 4 Life]

APA is not taking captain slots on the new deliveries. They get to flowback and displace current RJ captains at Eagle. AA is not going to furlough for the next two months so they will not get any of those positions. ALPA and the company have published a number of around 100 total flowbacks. Not really that much of an impact in the long run. Should be all done by mid summer. Rumor says we will be hiring into all FO seats including the CRJ first of the year.