full unrestricted ATPL??

[dojetdriver]

Isn't a circle a visual maneuver? How do they figure that one. Serious question...no hostility.

Although the maneuver is visual, some but not ALL airlines are not approved to execute it unless the wx is VFR. It's not trained in the sim as such, so it will carry the restriction;

"(Aircraft type) CIRC. APCH. - VMC ONLY

Now if your airline trains to circling at less then VMC criteria, then you would not have the restriction.

I'm just going on your profile, so I don't know if you are pure mil or not so I don't know if you guys have different rules than most airlines.

The first airline I was at, we trained to circle at the circling mins on the plate intially. Later, the airline was no longer certified to train or operate at circling mins. So the type rating didn't get changed, but per the FOM we were not allowed to execute unless it was VFR.

The current airline I'm at, we don't train to circle unless it is at VFR mins, so the type rating carrys the restriction. It's not unccomon.

 

[rod farva]

Although the maneuver is visual, some but not ALL airlines are not approved to execute it unless the wx is VFR. It's not trained in the sim as such, so it will carry the restriction;

"(Aircraft type) CIRC. APCH. - VMC ONLY

Now if your airline trains to circling at less then VMC criteria, then you would not have the restriction.

I'm just going on your profile, so I don't know if you are pure mil or not so I don't know if you guys have different rules than most airlines.

The first airline I was at, we trained to circle at the circling mins on the plate intially. Later, the airline was no longer certified to train or operate at circling mins. So the type rating didn't get changed, but per the FOM we were not allowed to execute unless it was VFR.

The current airline I'm at, we don't train to circle unless it is at VFR mins, so the type rating carrys the restriction. It's not unccomon.

Interesting. Yeah, the AF has us circle at the circling mins. Thanks for the info.

 

[Shrek]

How much would it cost to get the circling restriction lifted from your type rating?

 

[Porch]

How much would it cost to get the circling restriction lifted from your type rating?

$8.5K at CAE, gotta do the entire program otherwise its not legit.

 

[Shrek]

$8.5K at CAE, gotta do the entire program otherwise its not legit.

That's funny since CaE has quoted $600 for me.

That is for the PIC A320 type conversion........you may have to do the entire course if you have SIC type with the same limitation.

 

[dojetdriver]

That's funny since CaE has quoted $600 for me.

That is for the PIC A320 type conversion........you may have to do the entire course if you have SIC type with the same limitation.

That's along with what I thought as well. If you have the PIC type all you have to do is demonstrate a circle maneuver with an APD/DE and he could get the restriction lifted off your cert.

 

[grillinmike]

What really bothers me is the Chinese. They don't want a circling restriction on any ATPL. So does that mean they are wanting their pilots to do a circling approach in a B747 at minimums just to get their precious fu@&ing airplane on the ground? Some arrogant prick chief pilot over there wanted me to get my circling approach VMC only restriction taken off of my certificate before he would hire me. WTF OVER!!!

 

[Shrek]

What really bothers me is the Chinese. They don't want a circling restriction on any ATPL. So does that mean they are wanting their pilots to do a circling approach in a B747 at minimums just to get their precious fu@&ing airplane on the ground? Some arrogant prick chief pilot over there wanted me to get my circling approach VMC only restriction taken off of my certificate before he would hire me. WTF OVER!!!

Welcome to the "rest" of the world. Call it hazard pay

 

[Shrek]

That's along with what I thought as well. If you have the PIC type all you have to do is demonstrate a circle maneuver with an APD/DE and he could get the restriction lifted off your cert.

True statement :beer:

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Some arrogant prick chief pilot over there wanted me to get my circling approach VMC only restriction taken off of my certificate before he would hire me. WTF OVER!!!

Some folks here in the States want you to get a 737 type before they hire you, go figure. And besides, it is not the CP requiring the restriction to be removed it is their CAA

 

[dojetdriver]

What really bothers me is the Chinese. They don't want a circling restriction on any ATPL. So does that mean they are wanting their pilots to do a circling approach in a B747 at minimums just to get their precious fu@&ing airplane on the ground? Some arrogant prick chief pilot over there wanted me to get my circling approach VMC only restriction taken off of my certificate before he would hire me. WTF OVER!!!

From what I've heard from friends who are going through the grief of dealing with that issue is this; Like I said, it's just what I heard so take it for what it's worth.

But the Chinese (and others) don't like a restriction of any kind on a certificate. However, their aviation governing agency DOESN'T even allow circling approaches to be done.