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Live4flyng
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Fuel Prices
We just received a letter stating that in lieu of charging us the fuel surcharges, if the contract passes, the Company would use the money saved from pilot raises to offset increases in the fuel surcharges.
Only joking .. but I know some on this board think that somehow it comes out of the pilots $$$.
Fly safe.
We just received a letter stating that in lieu of charging us the fuel surcharges, if the contract passes, the Company would use the money saved from pilot raises to offset increases in the fuel surcharges.
Only joking .. but I know some on this board think that somehow it comes out of the pilots $$$.
Fly safe.
NJA Owner
I think you've been pretty patient with us, and quite frankly, I have no problem believing you're an NJA owner.
Some of us are too busy at work to be sitting back on disability, confronting people all day long on a computer.
I have been flying for 21 years, have been an airline captain, part of an airline training department and flown charter and instruction. You might have noticed..I don't complain about the company.
The truth is, many people came here with completely unrealistic expectations about what kind of salary a high fixed cost operation like NJA could deliver.
The union message board ran awash with completely out of control statements like, "We're all getting 150k a year and 100 k in retro, man!" Yeah, like that will ever happen. We are now living in the very near future with 737 pilots at USAir making only $100 k a year, if they don't go out of business first.
NJA Owner, you will notice the same people posting over and over again. Netjets Wife's husband is a first officer. Despite his much publicised skills, his job description is, "to assist the captain". Sorry guys, you don't get the big bucks when you don't even sign a piece of paper.
Quite frankly, I am sick of the whining! You guys and girls that are sobbing here might be reminded that there are plenty of votes to go around and if you didn't get one, call the offices and get another.
Griz, you came on as a moderator when you were still on probation. You try hard to control the outcome of the vote, when clearly you have not acted impartially. I suggest you step down from that position.
To NJA Owner: The message board is dominated by the same 25 guys who post with continual repetition. They do not represent most of us who came here to enjoy the flying and meeting folks like you!
The Hawke
I think you've been pretty patient with us, and quite frankly, I have no problem believing you're an NJA owner.
Some of us are too busy at work to be sitting back on disability, confronting people all day long on a computer.
I have been flying for 21 years, have been an airline captain, part of an airline training department and flown charter and instruction. You might have noticed..I don't complain about the company.
The truth is, many people came here with completely unrealistic expectations about what kind of salary a high fixed cost operation like NJA could deliver.
The union message board ran awash with completely out of control statements like, "We're all getting 150k a year and 100 k in retro, man!" Yeah, like that will ever happen. We are now living in the very near future with 737 pilots at USAir making only $100 k a year, if they don't go out of business first.
NJA Owner, you will notice the same people posting over and over again. Netjets Wife's husband is a first officer. Despite his much publicised skills, his job description is, "to assist the captain". Sorry guys, you don't get the big bucks when you don't even sign a piece of paper.
Quite frankly, I am sick of the whining! You guys and girls that are sobbing here might be reminded that there are plenty of votes to go around and if you didn't get one, call the offices and get another.
Griz, you came on as a moderator when you were still on probation. You try hard to control the outcome of the vote, when clearly you have not acted impartially. I suggest you step down from that position.
To NJA Owner: The message board is dominated by the same 25 guys who post with continual repetition. They do not represent most of us who came here to enjoy the flying and meeting folks like you!
The Hawke
Oh Griz...poor Griz!
So you want to "out" NJA owner and everyone else for that matter...it seems that YOU have chosen the wrong forum!
By the way, your insistence of NJA owner's identity is in contravention of the confidentiality agreement you signed when you came here. Mr Santulli has published a letter to airmen stating such opinions about our owners, published on a public forum are grounds for dismissal.
You are riding on the razors edge there buddy!
So when are you coming back to work?
So you want to "out" NJA owner and everyone else for that matter...it seems that YOU have chosen the wrong forum!
By the way, your insistence of NJA owner's identity is in contravention of the confidentiality agreement you signed when you came here. Mr Santulli has published a letter to airmen stating such opinions about our owners, published on a public forum are grounds for dismissal.
You are riding on the razors edge there buddy!
So when are you coming back to work?
No...I'm not upset in the slightest. I am one of the ones you get so mad about that actually have my own money.
Anyway, we'll see about the T/A, I think it's in the bag!
Oh, one more thing, how'd you get so screwed up like that loading bags in NJ? Not a pre-existing condition is it? Sounds like you did a lot of time in aerobatic instruction.
Anyway, we'll see about the T/A, I think it's in the bag!
Oh, one more thing, how'd you get so screwed up like that loading bags in NJ? Not a pre-existing condition is it? Sounds like you did a lot of time in aerobatic instruction.
CRAWDADDY
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Hawkered said:
Oh, THAT letter. Even this spineless MEC saw to it that that letter went into the trash and they not try to force it on us again. "The company's definition of confidentiality will prevail" "Should the pilot persue this in court, he'll pay the legal expenses of both parties" "Whereas, whereas Whereas....."
Such a parody of legalese I thought it was a joke when I first saw it.
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Hawkered said:
I'm afraid it'll be a lot closer than Griz thinks, but 1000+ petitions to bolt from 284 is a good sign
Hawkered said:
Ever since they started putting wheels on the bags, they've been getting heavier. OSHA would have a field day here. No way to lift with your legs going up a ladder. Bid the 800XP, just a suggestion.
AND, No more bags in the aisle, please! We don't need to hear about how the last crew let them carry the skis in the cabin.
Sorry folks, the rest of your bags are going via FedEx
CRAWDADDY
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Hawkered said:
You moron, they sent that same letter to people who had been here for years claiming it wasn't found in our files during an audit. There never was an audit,they made that up, it wasn't at my indoc., we were told to trash it. I, on the other hand, framed mine.
Go back under your rock!
CRAWDADDY
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Griz said:
And they did this w/o having the petition mailed to them
You might want to call Human Resources and ask what the number one workplace related injury is among pilots at NetJets. I’ll give you a hint – back injury. Ask how many have required multiple surgeries to fix the problems. I've already had one and another is coming up. Lastly, ask how many of our pilots have had to have spinal fusions. The answers might surprise you. I honestly hope that what's happened to me never happens to another person at NetJets. A stronger training program on back injury has been started but policies need to be put into place that helps prevent this from happening to anyone else.
Griz said:
Like to see him step out and call me a moron. The ad hominen attacks show he's already lost the argument
In defense of Griz -
Hawk -- in defense of Griz (why I don't know) he never wanted to "out" me. He just wanted by PM any of my name, my name the share is in, my contract number or my customer service phone number. All of which identify me and only me and I am not willing to share any of this info. He did send me his home number and I left a message. We haven't spoken. I do not need to actually "prove" myself to anyone on this board (Griz -- quote line, insert "troll" response here).
That being said, I think the genesis of the "comments about owners policy" started after someone at NetJets (it may have been sales and not a pilot) mentioned to a reporter about the great service to owners, even as far as having a Big Mac ready for Tiger Woods when he gets on the plane. Coincindentially, the article appeared while Tiger was in a slump and questions were raised about his eating habits and health.
Fly safe.
Hawk -- in defense of Griz (why I don't know) he never wanted to "out" me. He just wanted by PM any of my name, my name the share is in, my contract number or my customer service phone number. All of which identify me and only me and I am not willing to share any of this info. He did send me his home number and I left a message. We haven't spoken. I do not need to actually "prove" myself to anyone on this board (Griz -- quote line, insert "troll" response here).
That being said, I think the genesis of the "comments about owners policy" started after someone at NetJets (it may have been sales and not a pilot) mentioned to a reporter about the great service to owners, even as far as having a Big Mac ready for Tiger Woods when he gets on the plane. Coincindentially, the article appeared while Tiger was in a slump and questions were raised about his eating habits and health.
Fly safe.
Trolls
To quote you: Griz on 10-02-04 - Where is NJAOwner? thread:
You're the one making claims about an being owner..not me. Unless and until, you're willing to put up proof, you're just another troll in my book.
sorry I am not good with the proper "quoting technique".
Apology accepted in advance.
Read my posts without being judgmental. My posts and agenda have not been "company driven". In fact they are "owner driven". I just don't agree with all some of you have said, but have strongly advocated better compensation and ways to accomplish that goal without alienating the owners.
To quote you: Griz on 10-02-04 - Where is NJAOwner? thread:
You're the one making claims about an being owner..not me. Unless and until, you're willing to put up proof, you're just another troll in my book.
sorry I am not good with the proper "quoting technique".
Apology accepted in advance.
Read my posts without being judgmental. My posts and agenda have not been "company driven". In fact they are "owner driven". I just don't agree with all some of you have said, but have strongly advocated better compensation and ways to accomplish that goal without alienating the owners.
Dear NJA Owner,
It is certainly not anything against you, it's just that there are too many suspicious things going on here. How does a retired man with a broken back, working as a first officer on a business-jet think he's worth six figures? Who's paying for that? Why was a union message board allowed to be "run" and let me also say, "run away" the way it has it in the last three years? We had people getting into debt, way out of control and promising their spouses this and that....and look at them now. Broken men and women with the rug they built for themselves pulled out from beneath their feet!
These are the same people that will blame the union, it's MEC, the company and even the owners for their demonstrably low levels of personal responsibility. These are the same people that bought the union Kool-Aid that now chant in unison, "Strong Union dot org...Strong Union dot org..Strong Union dot org!"
These people are followers, not leaders. The company doesn't need them, you don't need them and I don't need them.
Simon Cowell of "American Idol", fame made a fortune just by telling the truth.
Here you can get it for free!
It is certainly not anything against you, it's just that there are too many suspicious things going on here. How does a retired man with a broken back, working as a first officer on a business-jet think he's worth six figures? Who's paying for that? Why was a union message board allowed to be "run" and let me also say, "run away" the way it has it in the last three years? We had people getting into debt, way out of control and promising their spouses this and that....and look at them now. Broken men and women with the rug they built for themselves pulled out from beneath their feet!
These are the same people that will blame the union, it's MEC, the company and even the owners for their demonstrably low levels of personal responsibility. These are the same people that bought the union Kool-Aid that now chant in unison, "Strong Union dot org...Strong Union dot org..Strong Union dot org!"
These people are followers, not leaders. The company doesn't need them, you don't need them and I don't need them.
Simon Cowell of "American Idol", fame made a fortune just by telling the truth.
Here you can get it for free!
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