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No, I'm not wrong. You pretty much agreed with what I said. It needed to be regulated.

Why?

Because it was a free-for-all before February of 2005. In February of 2005, fractional ownership became expensive, thus, it's still an unproven business model using the current regs.

I'll stay on my high non-union horse thank you.


You are extremely wrong. I have proven you wrong multiple times in this thread alone. You arrogance and pride blind you from the TRUTH.

Just because you say an OPINION, that does not make it FACT.

You are WRONG, and if you can't see it you are a FOOL. That, my friend, is the bottom line.

BTW, I am not the one talking about Unions on this thread. I am just trying to educate the BLIND (you) on the industry.
 
You were working for a Part 91 operator that didn't have any rest rules, operating standards or maintenance.

There were no structured rules for training, flight operations, no rest rules, no maintenance rules.

Your ignorance of the regulations shocks me. You want a union because they will help things to be "safer" but ignore that DOT and FAA regulations were instituted because it was a free for all.

Tell me... (I know you can't)

Why did the DOT and FAA regulate fractional operators and increase the cost of operations by tenfold if it was perfectly safe?

Again, your lack of knowledge of the industry comes forth.

NetJets operates under 3 parts of the FAR's

91- usually used for ferry flights, or crew repositions.

91K- used for most NetJets owner trips.

135- as required, usually used for MarquisJet trips.

When it comes to Mx, the most restrictive trumps, therefore the airplanes have a progressive Mx cycle that meets or exceeds 135 requirements.

"Tell me... (I know you can't)

Why did the DOT and FAA regulate fractional operators and increase the cost of operations by tenfold if it was perfectly safe"

I guess ignorance was part of the lunch menu today B19? In all actuality, NetJets worked closely with the FAA to help write part 91K as we are the largest fractional operator, and are effected by it every day. Richard Santulli realized the writing on the wall, and is ADAMANT about our crews benefiting from the language of these regs, most specifically fatigue rules.

As an industry leader we in fact did have SOP's before 91K.

Again, I beg you, get off your high horse and do some research before looking like a fool. YOU ARE WRONG about this.

No, I'm not wrong. You pretty much agreed with what I said. It needed to be regulated.

Why?

Because it was a free-for-all before February of 2005. In February of 2005, fractional ownership became expensive, thus, it's still an unproven business model using the current regs.

I'll stay on my high non-union horse thank you.


I proved you wrong 3 times in this exchange alone!!!

Anyone want to play "Where's Waldo" and find the 3 proofs???

B19. I want to make this VERY plain for you. THE FRACTIONAL INDUSTRY DID NOT START IN 2005.

Do you understand???
 
I'm sorry. Did someone on here say that safety is not defined by how safely an operation is run?

That seems pretty stupid.

Safety isn't necessarily defined just by fatalities. But if you look at accidents and incidents, the fractionals are still leading the entire pack. And have been for quite a while now. Well before the new regs of 2005. Don't believe me? Do some research.

If an operation has very few accidents and incidents, especially when compared to the rest of the industry, and ZERO fatalities, I'd have to say it's pretty safe. I really don't know how else you'd define 'safe operation'.

Everyone, please re-read my previous post. 91K came about NOT because of any safety issues. It came about because one man in the charter world felt the charter industry was at a huge competitive disadvantage compared to the fracs who were operating under 91 only. He raised the battle cry in the charter world, got a lot of others behind him, and basically pestered the living heck out of the FAA until they agreed to examine it and develop new rules for fracs. A purely financially driven motive. Safety was not a real issue.

Anyone who tells you otherwise simply hasn't done their research or hasn't been following the frac industry very long and doesn't know the history.
 
Realityman,

It wasn't just one man in the charter world that wanted 91K. Many traditional Part 91 operators were worried about that they would be dragged into commercial operating rules if the frax were allowed to continue operating under regular Part 91. So they advocated Part 91K just as much as the charter operators did.

Sorry for the thread hijack. Back to the regular program...
 
I proved you wrong 3 times in this exchange alone!!!

Anyone want to play "Where's Waldo" and find the 3 proofs???

B19. I want to make this VERY plain for you. THE FRACTIONAL INDUSTRY DID NOT START IN 2005.

Do you understand???

And I want to make this clear to you because you refuse to read the posts and continue to use a union twist:

The fractional industry did not begin with it's current cost structure until February of 2005.

Thus, anything before then didn't exist.

Thus, any profits that were made did not take into account the additional cost of being regulated;

Thus, unions are basing the generation of profits on a cost structure that is only two years old;

Thus, it became a "new" industry in February of 2005;

Thus the industry is NEW and UNPROVEN in the current regulatory environment.
 
I proved you wrong 3 times in this exchange alone!!!

Anyone want to play "Where's Waldo" and find the 3 proofs???

B19. I want to make this VERY plain for you. THE FRACTIONAL INDUSTRY DID NOT START IN 2005.

Do you understand???

Do YOU understand?
 
Don't you think you're due to add yet another airplane to your "experience" list? Wouldn't want us to think you're not a pilot. :laugh:
 
B19/ Bob/ Scab

Why does your only interest lie in FLOPS?? If you really worked for an airline as you claim... then why dont you have an interest in JetBlue and their current attempts to organize? The only forum you post in are fractional forums. Do you not care about the pilots at JB, shouldnt you be on a crusade to save them from the big bad union?? On another note you have no response for the moderators comments? Or is it simply that you cant defend yourself against him because he knows what you are and there is no defense?

Let me guess this post will not get a response because you are "across the pond". The only across the pond for you to cross is maybe Lake Erie, so lets let that lie die. Go hide beneath your desk some more SCAB.
 

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