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[B19 Flyer]

Are you actually arguing that the ASAP program is a bad thing!!?!!
I guess we should submarine the NASA report also.

You are truly a management tool, among other things.

Didn't read the post did you?

Clueless, totally clueless.

The union is jeapardizing the much needed and valued ASAP program at American Airlines.

Clueless, totally clueless.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Youre well past your self imposed 10 minute allotment on these boards for today. In fact I think youve used it up for the next 2 weeks. While youre still here though how about responding to the moderator who called you out for what you are? Everyone here knows youre a scab and a snake might as well fess up.

Another one that doesn't have a clue...

I responded to that, you didn't read the response.

Clueless, totally clueless.....

 

[CA1900]

Didn't read the post did you?

You didn't read the article you posted, did you?

The union is jeapardizing the much needed and valued ASAP program at American Airlines.

No, American's management is jeopardizing the much-needed and valued ASAP program by using those reports for disciplinary action. You can't encourage self-disclosure of safety problems if you're going to discipline them for the content of those reports.

 

[realityman]

You don't understand the industry, how it got there or what it takes to manage it.

You're clueless.

Still not addressing a single thing in my post. That's alright. I don't blame you. It's hard to address the issues I've brought up when you don't have a valid argument.

I've been in the fractional industry 11 years. How about you? I think I've experienced more, seen more, heard more, and followed more about it than you ever will.

Clueless: A really bad movie and an even worse response to an argument. Did we expect anything more from B19?

Folks, it seems B19 is getting frustrated. Perhaps now he'll go "help" the guys over at JetBlue in the 121 forum.

 

[fischman]

You don't have a clue, do you?

I'm using facts, you are using opinion.

3 items highlighted by the FAA in the official NPRM summary.

One of those three was safety.

What is so hard to understand about that?

You're clueless and you gotta stop sniffing that union glue.

You don't understand the industry, how it got there or what it takes to manage it.

You're clueless.

Implementing rest rules in February 2005.

No cost for safety?

Clueless, totally clueless.

Clueless, totally clueless...

Didn't read the post did you?

Clueless, totally clueless.

The union is jeapardizing the much needed and valued ASAP program at American Airlines.

Clueless, totally clueless.

Another one that doesn't have a clue...

I responded to that, you didn't read the response.

Clueless, totally clueless.....

B19, do you take 5 minutes in the morning to admire yourself in the mirror? :laugh:

Let me guess, your mother didn't breastfeed you, and daddy never gave you his approval? That is why you kiss management's a$$ now! Always seeking approval from an authority figure. :erm:

Not many friends in high school? :0

Not to many friends who REALLY like you now are there? :bawling:

Do you know what they call it when you are right and the rest of the world it wrong? DELUSIONAL. You are nuts. Seriously. You are out of your mind and require medication. :nuts:

Your arrogance is just..... Wow!!!

 

[1po'dpilot]

Yes SCAB

It is everyone else that is clueless, and you who are enlightened! LMAO... Hmmm seems like someone struck a nerve. Ah well Bobbyboy go cry on F & H's shoulder you're not gonna find one here.

 

[WabiSabi]

Implementing rest rules in February 2005.

No cost for safety?

Clueless, totally clueless.

I'm not at all surprised that you are unable to provide an intelligent reply to my, or anyone else's post. Instead, all you come up with is "clueless"? Yeah, there's substance for you. Unless you can reasonably respond point by point (at least a few of them) then you're just a babbling troll.

Babble on Bob, babble on!:laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

You didn't read the article you posted, did you?


No, American's management is jeopardizing the much-needed and valued ASAP program by using those reports for disciplinary action. You can't encourage self-disclosure of safety problems if you're going to discipline them for the content of those reports.

The article states that the union is trying to move away from what the other 98% of the programs across the company use.

That means that the union (APA) is trying to make changes to what the rest of the industry (including other unions such as ALPA) considers a successful program.

Union at fault, not management.

Read the article.

Clueless, just clueless.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Still not addressing a single thing in my post. That's alright. I don't blame you. It's hard to address the issues I've brought up when you don't have a valid argument.

I've been in the fractional industry 11 years. How about you? I think I've experienced more, seen more, heard more, and followed more about it than you ever will.

Clueless: A really bad movie and an even worse response to an argument. Did we expect anything more from B19?

Folks, it seems B19 is getting frustrated. Perhaps now he'll go "help" the guys over at JetBlue in the 121 forum.

FAA highlights three specific items for 91K regulation.

One is safety.

Enough said.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I'm not at all surprised that you are unable to provide an intelligent reply to my, or anyone else's post. Instead, all you come up with is "clueless"? Yeah, there's substance for you. Unless you can reasonably respond point by point (at least a few of them) then you're just a babbling troll.

Babble on Bob, babble on!:laugh:

You stated there was no cost for safety.

I listed one specific item that is very expensive to implement.

Enough said.

Only a clueless individual would say there was no cost for safety.

 

[CA1900]

That means that the union (APA) is trying to make changes to what the rest of the industry (including other unions such as ALPA) considers a successful program.

That's because the "rest of the industry" does not discipline pilots for the content of their ASAP reports. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

 

[realityman]

FAA highlights three specific items for 91K regulation.

One is safety.

Enough said.

And you still haven't addressed why they also made changes to the 135 regs (less stringent).

I'm not the one who is clueless here.

Nice try though.

I also really enjoy how YOU post an article that tells how MANAGEMENT wants to take a program that, industry wide, is NOT used for pilot discipline, and use it for discipline. When the union fights this unorthodox use of the ASAP program, it's the union that's causing the problem?

Oh wow! Your arrogance is almost a living thing of its own!

 

[B19 Flyer]

That's because the "rest of the industry" does not discipline pilots for the content of their ASAP reports. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

Good gawd, I'll make it easy for you:

The article states:

American officials maintain that the program has worked well and there isn't any need to change it. They also say that the mechanics' program is appropriate for them because their work environment includes more oversight and supervision than a cockpit.
"Remember that 98 percent of the ASAP programs in the industry are almost identical to our program with our pilots," Nolen said.

Jeesh.... you guys don't like to read facts, do you?

 

[realityman]

PS- Aren't your 10 minutes up for today?

 

[B19 Flyer]

And you still haven't addressed why they also made changes to the 135 regs (less stringent).

I'm not the one who is clueless here.

Nice try though.

I also really enjoy how YOU post an article that tells how MANAGEMENT wants to take a program that, industry wide, is NOT used for pilot discipline, and use it for discipline. When the union fights this unorthodox use of the ASAP program, it's the union that's causing the problem?

Oh wow! Your arrogance is almost a living thing of its own!

My arrogance is your perception of "reality" and your inablity to read, comprehend and understand the industry.

FAA singled out THREE ITEMS.

ONE IS SAFETY.

Simple, isn't it?

In 1997 Part 119 changed 135 too in the name of safety, want to include that also?

The accident that drove the Part 119 changes also drove PRIA... which was the beginning of this conversation.