Frontier to cease Republic ops......

[CHQ Pilot]

Only time the 170 is max speed is the go home leg. .76 or .74 usually. about 1600lbs a side.

B

Which is only 300 pounds a side less than a 737. There is a market for E-Jets, but as oil rises, the cost advantage enjoyed by the mainline partners diminishes. It's going to be a rough year for everyone in the aviation industry as oil reaches new highs. Summer ticket sales have largely been made on a lower cost (approx 100 a barrel), so the traditional good second quarter may already be a loss if oil stays high. With the mergers going on airlines may be looking to get out of regional contracts, or look for reductions in fees, to help lessen the fuel cost burden.

 

[freightrash]

Which is only 300 pounds a side less than a 737. There is a market for E-Jets, but as oil rises, the cost advantage enjoyed by the mainline partners diminishes. It's going to be a rough year for everyone in the aviation industry as oil reaches new highs. Summer ticket sales have largely been made on a lower cost (approx 100 a barrel), so the traditional good second quarter may already be a loss if oil stays high. With the mergers going on airlines may be looking to get out of regional contracts, or look for reductions in fees, to help lessen the fuel cost burden.

fuel burn is not the only cost. mx on ejets are a lot lower than b737 that i know plus the crew pay as well.

 

[airksk]

fuel burn is not the only cost. mx on ejets are a lot lower than b737 that i know plus the crew pay as well.

Sorry, but could you break down the mx costs of an ejet versus a 737? Where do your numbers come from?

 

[Flyprdu]

fuel burn is not the only cost. mx on ejets are a lot lower than b737 that i know plus the crew pay as well.

These costs are quickly outlaid by the extra 75 seats on a B737. There really is no comparison in a high-cost fuel market.

 

[skypine69]

You guys know that oil is a diminishing resource right? I seem to remember from some class in college that when you get less of something the price tends to go up.

 

[USCtrojan]

You guys know that oil is a diminishing resource right? I seem to remember from some class in college that when you get less of something the price tends to go up.

Funny, that's not what the Saudi Emir reported.

Trojan

 

[Kream926]

I predict by the end of '08 we'll start seeing signs of recovery. For now, just more bad news.

Trojan

ya when bush leaves

 

[dav8or]

737- 300 and 500's are possible to be replaced by the e170. The airlines also want to reduce the available seats in order to drive up the price in some markets. So fuel is not the only factor. BTW how about parking NWA dc9's for 170's?

 

[optimater]

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html

Thanks. That's good information.

 

[zasca]

drilling for a little more oil from within the USA won't drive down the price of oil for us that much. Oil is traded on an open market. You can't force bob in Alaska to sell only to Americans at below market price either. Most of our oil comes from within the USA already...

It's fault of all the azzholes in the futures markets trying to make a quick buck with other people's money and a lack of confidence/demand in the dollar, which makes people put money into commodities like gold, wheat, and frigging oil.

 

[Pantherpilot]

Here I go again:

From the Left Seat,
To the Right Seat,
To the Street.


"If your chosen occupation is something you love, you'll never work a day in your life...but you'll also never be paid." - some regional pilot

 

[thepotato232]

Which is only 300 pounds a side less than a 737.

Really? Not that I've ever flown the thing, but I remember seeing considerably higher numbers than 1900 lbs in cruise every time I've been a guest on the jumpseat in a 737. This is not an attempt at flamebait or trying to defend my gas-guzzling RJ, I just honestly can't remember seeing numbers that low.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Really? Not that I've ever flown the thing, but I remember seeing considerably higher numbers than 1900 lbs in cruise every time I've been a guest on the jumpseat in a 737. This is not an attempt at flamebait or trying to defend my gas-guzzling RJ, I just honestly can't remember seeing numbers that low.

Actually you're right..though I wouldn't say considerably higher. From the performance manual and typical weights, the burn is from about 1950 to 2290 depending on altitude, ISA, etc (-300 about 100 pounds aside more).

I wouldn't call RJs and E-Jets gas guzzling..just not as economical in todays environment given the fuel CASM. I hope oil comes back down for everyones sake.

 

[RP170]

We may not get everything we are looking for but any improvement is better.

Sounds like another mediocre contract at best. Being a former RAH pilot I was hoping you guys would really step it up this time considering you do have 2200 pilots and about 50 codeshares. Take a look at BB's salary and RAH's profits. You deserve a much much bigger piece of the pie.

I'm sure he'll spout off more diarrhea of the mouth though about how the sky is falling, high oil prices, needing to be a cost competitive as possible to gain more flying, etc. And as expected, another pilot group will cave.

I don't know how BB considers himself such a God loving Christian when continues to rip off his employees. He is nothing but a con artist just like all of the others. Unite for once and step up to the plate. You are essentially flying a mainline aircraft on mainline routes which also creates less mainline jobs for you in the future as well. The pay gap needs to be significantly narrowed.

 

[B727FA]

Frontier won't last beyond the summer (unfortunately).
UAL will accelerate the removal of MESA, along with mainline 737s.
BB has already been approached by UAL about increasing the number of 170s at UAL.

10 of the ex-DL 170's were to stay on the S5 side in UA colors. BB pointedly says it makes sense to replace -500s with 170's...that's not a mistake he "slipped" in.

Hopefully the oil bubble will burst (I don't know if this is a good or bad thing) and we will start back down the other side of this.

Oil has bubbled before...and it will burst again. It's always good when adjustments come. This time, however, the people being "adjusted" won't be homeowners, but Big Oil.