Frontier to cease Republic ops......

[optimater]

Take all the profits from the evil oil companies and the price of gas goes down $0.27.

Do you care to show your math on this one?

 

[Illini Pilot]

RAH just cx'd all of S5, RW, CHQ new hire and upgarde classes, it's going to worst before it gets better.

Not totally correct. The 4/21 RW and S5 new hire classes were cancelled. They were given a couple weeks per diem, travel home and "preferential hiring" in the future. The 2/28 and 3/25 classes are running as scheduled, except for the 3/25 RW class which is starting indoc for S5 (sucks that they have to do the full 4 week course for S5) tomorrow. Captain upgrades continue on somewhat as planned, although I know at least 4 upgrades that started on Monday were downgraded and I heard of some captains even on OE were downgraded.

 

[SilverandSore]

Do you care to show your math on this one?

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html

 

[flyer172r]

Just wait until President Obama slaps a 40% "windfall profits" tax on the oil companies....

Funny how nobody's been able to define what a "windfall profit" is. Sadly, even McCain has come out against more domestic oil development.

 

[BoilerUP]

Funny how nobody's been able to define what a "windfall profit" is. Sadly, even McCain has come out against more domestic oil development.

If only we could use "smug" to power our energy-dependent needs!

 

[Airline Driver]

It's not Oil Companies that are the bad guys here. The weak dollar is sending prices skyrocketing. Same thing happened in the '70's. If you adjust for inflation, the 70's had the same situation. Hopefully we'll see the dollar get stronger soon (feds need to quit lowering rates and quit printing money), and we'll see a strong recovery. I predict by the end of '08 we'll start seeing signs of recovery. For now, just more bad news.

Trojan

Your right there are allot of different factors that are involved with high oil prices. I was primarily just venting.

 

[veneratio]

How much does the E-170 Burn in cruise (max speed cruise) with full fuel, pax, and cargo? I am curious how much more fuel efficient it is compared to the EMB-145.

Thanks.

 

[Airline Driver]

Come on people, are you getting your 'facts' from the DNC? This is right there with the 'widening' gap between the rich and the poor, carbon credits and global warming. Take all the profits from the evil oil companies and the price of gas goes down $0.27. As others have pointed out, there are other significant factors that play into the price of oil, the weak dollar chief among them.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines. My primary point was that high oil prices are diving our economy down in more ways than one. The layuth the smack down was intended primarily as a joke to make light of the situation. I understand the multiple factors involving our oil dilemma.

 

[blott]

Only time the 170 is max speed is the go home leg. .76 or .74 usually. about 1600lbs a side.

B

 

[Airline Driver]

Frontier won't last beyond the summer (unfortunately).
UAL will accelerate the removal of MESA, along with mainline 737s.
BB has already been approached by UAL about increasing the number of 170s at UAL.
We are in contract talks. Bad news is good news for mngt, so we will take a beating in negotiations and finish up with some pos of a contract. All in the name of showing stability to our partners.

Hopefully the oil bubble will burst (I don't know if this is a good or bad thing) and we will start back down the other side of this.

I would not be too worried about negotiations. Yes our leverage has been slighted a little concerning our situation. Keep in mind when the last contract was signed, we had 300 pilots, and Management had allot more of an advantage than they do now.

If BB is smart he will expedite negotiations a little and get a contract in place as too obtain more business. I do not consider this over as far as our position in negotiations. we are now 2200+ pilots and more code shares. A big difference from before. for now I am still optimistic. We may not get everything we are looking for but any improvement is better. We just have too stand strong.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Only time the 170 is max speed is the go home leg. .76 or .74 usually. about 1600lbs a side.

B

Which is only 300 pounds a side less than a 737. There is a market for E-Jets, but as oil rises, the cost advantage enjoyed by the mainline partners diminishes. It's going to be a rough year for everyone in the aviation industry as oil reaches new highs. Summer ticket sales have largely been made on a lower cost (approx 100 a barrel), so the traditional good second quarter may already be a loss if oil stays high. With the mergers going on airlines may be looking to get out of regional contracts, or look for reductions in fees, to help lessen the fuel cost burden.

 

[freightrash]

Which is only 300 pounds a side less than a 737. There is a market for E-Jets, but as oil rises, the cost advantage enjoyed by the mainline partners diminishes. It's going to be a rough year for everyone in the aviation industry as oil reaches new highs. Summer ticket sales have largely been made on a lower cost (approx 100 a barrel), so the traditional good second quarter may already be a loss if oil stays high. With the mergers going on airlines may be looking to get out of regional contracts, or look for reductions in fees, to help lessen the fuel cost burden.

fuel burn is not the only cost. mx on ejets are a lot lower than b737 that i know plus the crew pay as well.

 

[airksk]

fuel burn is not the only cost. mx on ejets are a lot lower than b737 that i know plus the crew pay as well.

Sorry, but could you break down the mx costs of an ejet versus a 737? Where do your numbers come from?

 

[Flyprdu]

fuel burn is not the only cost. mx on ejets are a lot lower than b737 that i know plus the crew pay as well.

These costs are quickly outlaid by the extra 75 seats on a B737. There really is no comparison in a high-cost fuel market.

 

[skypine69]

You guys know that oil is a diminishing resource right? I seem to remember from some class in college that when you get less of something the price tends to go up.

 

[USCtrojan]

You guys know that oil is a diminishing resource right? I seem to remember from some class in college that when you get less of something the price tends to go up.

Funny, that's not what the Saudi Emir reported.

Trojan

 

[Kream926]

I predict by the end of '08 we'll start seeing signs of recovery. For now, just more bad news.

Trojan

ya when bush leaves

 

[dav8or]

737- 300 and 500's are possible to be replaced by the e170. The airlines also want to reduce the available seats in order to drive up the price in some markets. So fuel is not the only factor. BTW how about parking NWA dc9's for 170's?

 

[optimater]

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html

Thanks. That's good information.

 

[zasca]

drilling for a little more oil from within the USA won't drive down the price of oil for us that much. Oil is traded on an open market. You can't force bob in Alaska to sell only to Americans at below market price either. Most of our oil comes from within the USA already...

It's fault of all the azzholes in the futures markets trying to make a quick buck with other people's money and a lack of confidence/demand in the dollar, which makes people put money into commodities like gold, wheat, and frigging oil.