Frontier Owned By Republic - Question For Delta Pilots

[CesnaCaptn]

Let's say Delta was a construction company and they bought building supplies from Republic. Could they stop Republic from selling building supplies to another construction company that was in direct competition with Delta? Conversely, can Republic stop Delta from buying some of their supplies from Skywest? Of course not. OTOH, Delta can stop Comair from selling insulation to the competition because they own Comair. This is a simplistic analogy, but it represents the same situation. I don't know why pilots think the airline business is different from other businesses.

I disagree. Different businesses sign exclusivity agreements all the time. Last I checked, which it's been a while, Delta has an exclusivity agreement with Coke. I'm willing to bet Delta couldn't add Mountain Dew to it's offerings without consulting with, or altering their agreement with Coke.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

DL does not have an exclusivity agreement with RAH holdings (the lift contracts are with shuttle america and chaniqua). Republic and F9 are currently still being operated as separate certificates- they will likely not be combined.

Straight from the horse's mouth, DL has a legal obligation to continue their relationship at least to the end of the contract.... now if it's renewed is a whole nother conversation.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

See, your desire, to fly these "Big" RJ's is an advantage to management. The see this, and will "offer" to give you the flying if you under cut someone else. When that other airline undercuts you, they will come back to you and ask for more. See where this is going?

 

[andyd]

I think it's high time for Dalpa to adopt the APA's stance on Scope. Period, end of conversation. If it says Delta on the ticket or anywhere on the side of the plane...then it is flown my mainline DAL pilots. If we have to give up widebody pay raises for a contract cycle then so be it....if not, within 10 years the only jobs left at mainline will be widebody's...until they find a way to outsource those as well....ala UAL/Air Lingus hocus pocus.

 

[JoeMerchant]

See, your desire, to fly these "Big" RJ's is an advantage to management. The see this, and will "offer" to give you the flying if you under cut someone else. When that other airline undercuts you, they will come back to you and ask for more. See where this is going?

We see where this is going...Same place it's been going for the past 20+ years...Nothing new here folks...

As to our "desire to fly these "Big" RJs", that needs some clarification...I want to fly what ever improves my paycheck, and more importantly my QOL...If that means flying a J3 Cub, then sign me up...It was ALPA that decided that bigger airplanes somehow demand more pay.

Many of your colleagues at Delta and the other mainlines are guilty of the Shiny Big Jets Syndrome (SBJS)....There are plenty of Gen. Lees out there that just can't wait to fly a big widebody to Paris...Personally, I would rather have an ATR overnight at the Hilton Head Westin resort...

Yes ACL...We see where this is headed.....

 

[trip]

Too bad mainline does not have a "desire to fly the big RJ's" because this is an advantage for management. They know that mainline pilots can be easily bought off for a few sheckles and they will in turn allow the Rj's to be used for undercutting and whip sawing at the regionals.
The mainline MEC's and ALPA types hold all the power and could put a stop to this if they choose to.
Don't hold your breath.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

You got me, just offer me a dollar an hour raise you can have the 100 seaters. If it doesn't have 3 FAs I dont want to fly it.

 

[Full of LUV]

Should be your worst fear....

Too bad mainline does not have a "desire to fly the big RJ's" because this is an advantage for management. They know that mainline pilots can be easily bought off for a few sheckles and they will in turn allow the Rj's to be used for undercutting and whip sawing at the regionals.
The mainline MEC's and ALPA types hold all the power and could put a stop to this if they choose to.
Don't hold your breath.

Your solution should be your worst fear. The only way the MEC / ALPA will get that flying back is if it is done even cheaper than it is being done now.
Converting a bunch of $70K a year regional captain jobs into $60K a year mainline jobs does nothing to "help the profession".
What has to happen is have a universal line in the sand and have ALPA enforce it amongst all of the unionized groups with whatever clout they can muster.
Bottom line is RJ's are only competitive up to a certain cost factor, and the truth is maybe a "livable" wage flying the RJ makes the whole operation unprofitable....not as though they are making a profit now.

 

[fob727]

I agree with you 100 percent. However, it appears that you didn't go to college, or even do well in high school. That leads readers to assume you don't know what you're talking about... which discredits your (valid) argument. Please... learn when to use apostrophes.

Talk about ANAL.....

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

From Richard Anderson's LCA meeting recently.....RAH will have trouble with Milwaukee and Denver competition and he didn't anticipate continuing a relationship with them so long as the contract is honored and followed to the letter. Separate companies etc.

Not sure what that means, but he didn't view it as a large threat but addressed the competiton factor with a regional-running-a-big airline indirectly.