Frontier almost pulls a "Sully"

[waveflyer]

Sully did a fantastic job- and so far I respect his voicing of the industry's problems.

FWIW- if noone has said it yet:

Nice job Frontier, handling the emergency. I know your pilots can fly and do the job as well as anyone.

 

[xanderman]

Xan, why are you so jealous of Sully? Are you one of those lottry winners from AWA that can't stand to see how experienced the east pilots are compared to you?

Nic I'm not jealous. Just tired of the bullsh1t. You know it and I know it. His 15 minutes of fame is long past over. The only folks keeping it alive are ignorant passengers, media and easties who base their self worth on a title.

I am a westie. Does it burn you up to think I am gonna cash that "lottery ticket" as soon as possible? You could say I am taking advantage of the circumstances that were beyond my control to better my life just as Sully has. Nothing wrong with that right?

 

[kf4amu]

To my knowledge he has highlighted the dismal state of this industry from a pilots perspective once. Once! Yes it was before congress but we all know that they listen to the people with the money and that ain't us. The rest of the time he has been "highlighting" his book... He's no hero. He is taking advantage of his newly found fame and running to the bank. Do I blame him? No. But that kinda behavior is far from from hero behavior in my book. Like I mentioned earlier, do you think the Frontier Capt will get a book deal? Will he get to be an honored guest at the next Superbowl? Or get to be the Grand Marshal in the Rose parade? He did the exact same thing! That's all I am saying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/14/watch-sully-on-ithe-daily_n_320570.html

There he is using an interview about his book to pose a rhetorical question about whether the public values the piloting profession enough to attract the best and brightest pilots in the future.

Matter of fact, he doesn't talk about the book much at all in that interview.

 

[xanderman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/14/watch-sully-on-ithe-daily_n_320570.html

There he is using an interview about his book to pose a rhetorical question about whether the public values the piloting profession enough to attract the best and brightest pilots in the future.

Matter of fact, he doesn't talk about the book much at all in that interview.

Okay I stand corrected. You were right he did use his limelight as you suggested. I applaud him for that. Maybe it's not so much Sully as an individual as much as it's a lack of understanding by the public and the coat tail grabbing opportunists that, as Sully suggests, many pilots are highly trained and talented. Frontier just proved my point. And Sully's for that matter. Honestly how many lives have been saved by pilots around the world and it failed to show up in books, magazines, TV shows etc? That's the rub...

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Okay I stand corrected. You were right he did use his limelight as you suggested. I applaud him for that. Maybe it's not so much Sully as an individual as much as it's a lack of understanding by the public and the coat tail grabbing opportunists that, as Sully suggests, many pilots are highly trained and talented. Frontier just proved my point. And Sully's for that matter. Honestly how many lives have been saved by pilots around the world and it failed to show up in books, magazines, TV shows etc? That's the rub...

Every time I've seen him talk, he's highlighted the major hurdles and issues this industry faces. More power to him.

 

[GuppyWN]

Gup:

Is this a splt flap failure? I had that once on the 737, where one of the inboard flap actuactor broke and the other inboard flap fully extended. My memory is fading but if I remember correctly - that on the 737 the flap indicator and protection from split flaps is only provided by the outboard flaps - you can have a major problem with the inboards and it wouldn't indicate that in the cockpit - other that the extreme roll you would experience .

If that is what your talking about in night imc with flap 40 - I am impressed.

Metrojet

Metrojet,

Both jackscrews snapped at once - or most probably one immediately followed by the other due to overload. Had full slats but 0 trailing edge flaps on one side and 40 trailing edge flaps on the other side in an instant. Truly amazing that they flew out of it. Like the other dudes said Boeing couldn't fly the sim out of the senario after 30 attempts.

Gup

 

[StaySeated]

Metrojet,

Both jackscrews snapped at once - or most probably one immediately followed by the other due to overload. Had full slats but 0 trailing edge flaps on one side and 40 trailing edge flaps on the other side in an instant. Truly amazing that they flew out of it. Like the other dudes said Boeing couldn't fly the sim out of the senario after 30 attempts.

Gup

Just curious, did they use a ton of asymmetric power? Sounds like an unbelievable piece of airmanship.

 

[get2flyin]

Xan, why are you so jealous of Sully? Are you one of those lottry winners from AWA that can't stand to see how experienced the east pilots are compared to you?

:laugh: That's funny....well, it's sad and funny. Actually, more sad then funny.

 

[kf4amu]

Maybe it's not so much Sully as an individual as much as it's a lack of understanding by the public and the coat tail grabbing opportunists that, as Sully suggests, many pilots are highly trained and talented. Frontier just proved my point. And Sully's for that matter. Honestly how many lives have been saved by pilots around the world and it failed to show up in books, magazines, TV shows etc? That's the rub...

That's a great point. All we hear about is pilots on laptops, drunk, landing on taxiways, etc. Nobody hears about the good things.

I realize Sully's testimony on behalf of USAPA probaby pisses off a lot of pilots and that's fine but it's a different subject. Don't disparage him based on something that has nothing to do with his fame and media appearances. He's almost singlehandedly gotten the word out to the public about the awful state of the profession.

If you want another example, here's a 4 minute clip of his interview with Katie Couric
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4791476n&tag=related;photovideo

No mention of a book or anything self serving. Nobody's perfect, what else do you want him to do?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

In fact lips aren't you an eastie?

Gee...all the way to page 3 before the eastie/westie "chest-thumping" begins.

You guys are getting better.

 

[Erlanger]

Relive Sully's flight in HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_5eiYn0D0

 

[starchkr]

Anyone else here tired of this whole sully thing on here already?!

Your both wrong...THERE!!!!!! Now shut up!

Give the F9 guys their deserved due here. Great job guys!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

You miss the point highspeed. Did I suggest that or is it something you read into my point because I praised the Frontier crew for getting their bird on the ground. If #1 was at flight idle what would you have done? There is reason to believe that the thrust levers never left the idle detent. If they went to toga they might have found the could've limped it to EWR. But then you seem to be so enamored with the "Sully" and can't seem to grasp that he and his crew were damn lucky. Period. Tell me how do you think the "Sully" would have done in darkness? Or IMC? What if he had a crosswind at touchdown? What if the river was crowded as it usually is? Yeah I'd say he was lucky. All too often guys with all kinds of backgrounds do amazing things in airplanes possibly saving hundreds of lives and are never recognized. Problem is it isn't as sensational... Maybe the Frontier Capt can write a book! What do ya think? Would you buy it...?

When did they get to the "idle detent"?

 

[jhill]

You would have tried to make the runway and killed thousands of NYC citizens as well as all the passengers and crew.

Thousands? Really? Thousands?

 

[Cowboy75]

Xan, why are you so jealous of Sully? Are you one of those lottry winners from AWA that can't stand to see how experienced the east pilots are compared to you?

How can Westies cash a lottery ticket Easties are holding? us air was days away from liquidation before being acquired. Hundreds of East pilots recalled while furloughs handed to West pilots is hardly a windfall. Then having to deal with a union formed by pilots to take advantage of their sudden good fortune to further disadvantage West pilolts.

My life was far better prior to the acquisition in 2005.