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[Uncle Bunkle]

not much maturity in this thread..or any mesa thread 4 that matter

Shut your trap, loser.

 

[V-1]

I can't believe I just read six pages of this.

 

[Nindiri]

Its idiocy becomes mesmerizing.

 

[SLUF4]

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kcvg/KCVG-App-Jul-11-2009-1730Z.mp3
you can hear some of the ATC there, but it's weak in audio. he did say there was smoke in the cabin and a cracked windshield but the smoke had dissipated

 

[banditdriver]

Does Freedom have a policy as to how far they are required to steer clear of thunderstorms? For example, we are required to not operate within 20 NM of a storm.

My point being, why were they close enough to even get hit by lightening? Especially on departure? Why did they even take off?

That is what I have been thinking this whole thread... "We need 20 right for weather."...done...
Thats why its required to have a working radar onboard when u carry peeps... I would say if anything is certain, they need to learn how to use it.

 

[WSurf]

You don't have to be in a Thunderstorm to get hit by lightening.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kcvg/KCVG-App-Jul-11-2009-1730Z.mp3
you can hear some of the ATC there, but it's weak in audio. he did say there was smoke in the cabin and a cracked windshield but the smoke had dissipated

This recording is horrible.

 

[SLUF4]

yes, it is pretty crappy I guess because of the weather in the area at the time

 

[fischman]

You don't have to be in a Thunderstorm to get hit by lightening.

True, but I've never seen a 20 NM lightening bolt.

So what is Freedom's policy?

 

[30West]

True, but I've never seen a 20 NM lightening bolt.

So what is Freedom's policy?

I have. Got hit by it too!

 

[WSurf]

Look getting hit by lightening isn't the issue here. All of us have had to fly around and between cells. We try to keep it 20 miles, but realistically In the real world of flying we get closer then that. You use the radar scan the area, tilt it up and see how high the tops are and make decissions on how your gonna handle it.

The problem isn't the lightening strike, its the fact that the window cracked and smoke started in the cabin. With all that they didn't wanna declare an emergency and return immediately to the field. Thats the problem I have with it.

 

[Ross]

I never thought I would say this, but CVG is probably one of the most dangerous airports to fly out of anymore. Between having a bunch of inexperienced flight crews flying for Freedom and having a bunch of run down and ticked off Comair pilots, I think many people are going to rethink paying for the most expensive tickets at the cost of their lives out of CVG. C'mon guys WAKE UP! You are professionals.

Wait! When you talk about professionals are you talking about your "professional" friends at Pinnacle (remember), Comair crash, RAH off the RWY, Colgan just the other day, etc.

Be careful when pointing fingers, you might be next.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

You use the radar scan the area, tilt it up and see how high the tops are.

Really, so you can determine the tops with your WX radar? Interesting...

 

[laserman2431]

True, but I've never seen a 20 NM lightening bolt.

So what is Freedom's policy?

Fishman. You are a total loser. You are the biggest idiot I have ever seen. I am not even going to go into why your post displays your total ignorance.

 

[laserman2431]

What record? That premise is foolish. You have to look at total incidents and and not just fatal accidents. Remember your crew members who BOTH fell asleep while operating a flight? I can keep going if you want. The list over the last 5 years is long enough. I'll tell you what though...if you guys keep up the unprofessional BS, you will have an accident. Mesa is a bottom feeder. They hire the scum of the industry. What exactly is that? It's the pilots that either got fired from other carriers, or applicants that failed to get a job at a decent place, and Mesa hired them. This is the foundation of the Mesa/Freedumb pilot group.
Let me put it to you this way, most furloughed pilots in the industry, wouldn't even consider Mesa for a job. That has to tell you something about a place as crappy as that.

Maybe you should take a good look in the mirror. Mesa and Freedumb are bad bad places. They are everything a good, decent, and respectable regional airline carrier should not be.

I think you are going too far with those statements. I'm sure there are many fine pilots at Mesa. You really shouldn't generalize that much. I've met some Mesa pilots that are fine people and fine pilots.

 

[SEVEN]

I think you are going too far with those statements. I'm sure there are many fine pilots at Mesa. You really shouldn't generalize that much. I've met some Mesa pilots that are fine people and fine pilots.

I stand by my statement. There are a few decent and good Mesa pilots around. But they are few and far between. That place is a bottom feeder and attracts those that don't respect their career or profession. They know it, and so does everyone else. That is why they can't look you in the eye after they tell you they work for Mesa. Sad.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I would write that to, to cover my ass. But he stated "we have smoke" and "the smoke has not got any worse". whats critical about being above 10,000

Thanks for risking your daughters sleep.... you were torn between alerting monikerville and fatherhood.... you did the right thing....





What did you accomplish?

 

[405]

Thanks for risking your daughters sleep.... you were torn between alerting monikerville and fatherhood.... you did the right thing....





What did you accomplish?

Are you on drugs?

 

[LXApilot]

I jumpseated on a Freedom Airlines flight once from ATL-SDF back in 2006. I know it could happen at any airline, but the fact that the following happened during my flight on Freedom Airlines didn't do much for their image in my mind.
- crew incorrectly programmed departure into FMS
- crew had A LOT of non-essential conversation (some is normal-but not that much)
- crew were sort of odd
- crew departed 26L in ATL with over a 1,000 lbs imbalance of fuel. I am at fault for not bringing it to their attention- I was waiting to see when they noticed it- not until we were on final in SDF over 1:15 later!
- Captain became confused and frustrated while taxiing in to the gate
- I thanked them for the ride and walked away .. relieved?

 

[dowhite2]

So are you saying they took off with the amber fuel imbalance message on the eicas? And if so that'd mean over a two hour taxi on one engine before departure to get it to that point. That just doesnt make sense!

 

[say again]

I jumpseated on a Freedom Airlines flight once from ATL-SDF back in 2006.
- crew departed 26L in ATL with over a 1,000 lbs imbalance of fuel. I am at fault for not bringing it to their attention- I was waiting to see when they noticed it- not until we were on final in SDF over 1:15 later!
-

Honestly, doesn't say much about you either!!!

 

[wscrj]

So are you saying they took off with the amber fuel imbalance message on the eicas? And if so that'd mean over a two hour taxi on one engine before departure to get it to that point. That just doesnt make sense!

In the CRJ series aircraft with both boost pumps on and one engine shut down, it is quite easy to get a fuel imbalance message well inside of an hour.

Most crews just turn the boost pumps off. It helps siginificantly.

 

[dowhite2]

Yes, but we are talking about the EMB-145, and no it's not that easy.

 

[skiandsurf]

I jumpseated on a

- crew were sort of odd
relieved?

That could be said about most crews.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

That could be said about most crews.

Tell me about it. Growing up I used to think pilots walked on water, until I became one and saw what a bunch of misfits some of us are.