Freedom will set up in Orlando

[Biatch5]

No but seriously, that seems to be the problem I have seen from a lot of regional pilots. We all dont own the flying, it's the majors who do and they decide who flys the routes

 

[KingKong2]

I thought the major boys were winey biitches... You regional boys are worse.

Last week it was Freedom, Yesterday Go-jet, today CHQ, this hour AirWiskey, next hour ASA, tomorrow ComAir.

Complain about everything, this flyings mine, no that flying is mine, I had this flying 1st....mine...mine ... mine....mine...mine...

You remind me of the dam.n seagulls on "Finding Nemo."

Mine...Mine...Mine.......

JUST REMEBER....THIS IS A FREE CAPITAL MARKET PLACE!

NO-ONE OR NO THING IS SACRED!

 

[CooCooTim]

From the cover of a September 1983 AIR LINE PILOT magazine...

"If unity at the national level is diluted, we would eventually face pilots giving away long-and-hard-fought-for gains that would eventually pit pilot group against pilot group."
David L. Behncke,
ALPA Founder
1931

 

[widespreadpanic]

I thought the major boys were winey biitches... You regional boys are worse.

Last week it was Freedom, Yesterday Go-jet, today CHQ, this hour AirWiskey, next hour ASA, tomorrow ComAir.

Complain about everything, this flyings mine, no that flying is mine, I had this flying 1st....mine...mine ... mine....mine...mine...

You remind me of the dam.n seagulls on "Finding Nemo."

Mine...Mine...Mine.......

JUST REMEBER....THIS IS A FREE CAPITAL MARKET PLACE!

NO-ONE OR NO THING IS SACRED!

KingKong2 you are my hero!!!!!
WP

 

[cmrflyer]

9 AC 1st Oct, 25 in 16 months.Great

 

[still zw]

General - I am not new and not a F.A.G. - just tired of you and the Air Wiskey guys trying to put yourself on a high horse - you guys were FIRED !!!!!!!!

Right idea, wrong order. Thanks for playing!

 

[bustinmins]

Freedumb no more

disregard... thought freedom was a bad airline..didnt realize it was now unionized.

Freedom was captured in scope language in our last "negotiation". All the Freedom "A" pilots have been absorbed back in to the Mesa list(read - you're my bitch now). The certificate was cleared of everything but one pilot, one manager and one airplane. They did this to keep it alive for some reason.

I don't exactly know why they are using the Freedom certificate on the DAL Connection flying. We've asked the question and were given the reply "DAL SCOPE". However, someone on this forum told me that the scope language at DAL was loosened up and didn't require Mesa to do this.

Who knows? Regardless, the flying is going to Mesa's Unionized Freedom certificate. The guys going over there are most likely the one's who DID NOT go to the non-union carrier. The Freedom's "A" list is out there. Get a copy if you want one.

I won't be denying any jumpseat to any Delta Connection guy and I hope that you don't deny me one. This is a management issue and a strategic partnership. The pilots didn't have anything to do with it.

Looking forward to meeting you around the system.

The more you deny a jumpseat to someone over a management issue - the more you are management's little bitch.

JD

 

[DDpaysoff]

I thought Comair and CHQ flew Deltas flying?

How is this different? (Not a flame, just an honest question) Does Deltas, Comairs, or CHQ,s scope prevent this, or does Delta managment retain the rights to say who flys for them?

Delta's scope is weak, Comair essentially has none, and chautaqua is a result of the aforementioned. Understand?

 

[Plug]

You know, I find it real ironic to read CHQ pilots refer to the MCO flying as "their flying." Well, I remember a time when all the DCI flying in MCO was done by CMR, all ATL DCI flying was done by ASA, CVG=CMR, oh and let's not forget DFW was all ASA. We didn't "own" any of it, we just got used to it and thought it was a "common law" thing. ACA or Patriot had the northeast after Tran States really dorked it up for Delta and then slowly moved over to do some CVG stuff. CMR came to DFW as did Skywest, who by the way "owned" SLC. CMR then started coming in to ATL, quite heavely I might add, to the point where ASA started shrinking in ATL and growing in DFW. Also, CMR got rid of their E120's in MCO, replaced by $hitty kitty, and then ASA got rid of the E120's in DFW, again replaced by Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Lots of CA's thrown back to the right seat from that one. So I find it very ironic that the $hitty Taco pilots are enraged at the Mesa pilots for coming in to MCO and taking "your flying". Get off it, it is the same F'cking thing you did to CMR and ASA. The only one who holds the key to scoping this is DL mainline, we don't own jack squat! You want to stop the bleeding? Then stop signing sub-standard contracts! This has become the race to the bottom and those of you complaining the most are the ones running the fastest to get to the finish line. Until you guys realize that flying 50-99 seat jets for the same pay is ubsurd, nothing is going to change, so shut up and grow up! And lets not forget that this is the same Shaniqua that is flying American Connection "In Direct Violation of American Eagle Scope"!

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Delta's scope is weak, Comair essentially has none, and chautaqua is a result of the aforementioned. Understand?

O.K. So basically we have a case of a regional pilot wanting to refuse the jumpseat based on the fact that another regional airline is flying something that he sees as "his" flying, when actually "his" flying is not his at all but some one elses "flying" And throughout all this there has been no scope or contract violation. Do I have it about right?

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the logic used here?

 

[Biatch5]

O.K. So basically we have a case of a regional pilot wanting to refuse the jumpseat based on the fact that another regional airline is flying something that he sees as "his" flying, when actually "his" flying is not his at all but some one elses "flying" And throughout all this there has been no scope or contract violation. Do I have it about right?

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the logic used here?

Pretty stupid right?

 

[Otto]

How about a nice game of chess?

There was a time not too long ago when I thought a 20 or 30 year career at a regional might be a possibility but that is no longer the case. Seeing how the situation has devolved to multiple companies/pilot groups competing for flying that none of them own, purely on the basis of who can do it at the lowest cost, while there are an excess number of RJ's on the market to fill the demand, all the while with a pilot union that finds this acceptable (even desireable)...I think we all can see the inevitable conclustion to where this is all going. I for one am looking at getting out.

Companies/pilots trying to "win" at the regional game reminds me of that movie Wargames where the computer (Joshua) actually thinks it's possible to "win" a nuclear war. Through time it learns the futility of the whole excercise as it's a game with no winners. It's conclusion seems appropriate for our industry: "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

 

[ERJDRVR2]

disregard... thought freedom was a bad airline..didnt realize it was now unionized.

It was a simple case of stupidity. All you boys like (butt)PLUG need to relax..
The CHQ guys could give two $hits who is flying what.
That CHQ CPT should know better than to post that stupid stuff. BTW he has retracted his statement.



Mesa, welcome to MCO.


ERJDRVR2
CHQ CPT

 

[ERJDRVR2]

This has become the race to the bottom and those of you complaining the most are the ones running the fastest to get to the finish line. Until you guys realize that flying 50-99 seat jets for the same pay is ubsurd, nothing is going to change, so shut up and grow up! And lets not forget that this is the same Shaniqua that is flying American Connection "In Direct Violation of American Eagle Scope"!

Just an FYI (butt) PLUG,, we didn't take any pay cuts for aircraft. Keep that in mind before you start running your mouth about $$$.

-AND-

We are not in violation of AMR. Please read up on Republic/Shuttle/CHQ.


No airline is innocent in this game of cut-throat.

 

[I Hate Freight]

disregard... thought freedom was a bad airline..didnt realize it was now unionized.

And that makes it good?

 

[Taco1]

Ok. The people on this board take one persons views and think thats how the whole pilot group thinks. The point is, when you work for a contract carrier your life is totally dependent on CONTRACTS.. Contracts come and go.. So Mesa is Orlando now. Big deal.. Its a contract and can go away anytime. The flying is Delta's and no one else. We do it as a contract. Comair and ASA are tied to the mother ship, so their Delta's little puppets. They are simply stuck and have very little control of their flying. Can't go get cotracts with any other airlines. So if you want to control "your" flying, become CEO of one of the airlines, due what you like. Screw everyone in the process and walk away with millions...

 

[GoJetPilot]

Contracts come and go.. So Mesa is Orlando now. Big deal.. Its a contract and can go away anytime. The flying is Delta's and no one else. We do it as a contract.

Actually, it will belong to Go Jets in the near future

enjoy!

 

[nimtz]

There was a time not too long ago when I thought a 20 or 30 year career at a regional might be a possibility but that is no longer the case. Seeing how the situation has devolved to multiple companies/pilot groups competing for flying that none of them own, purely on the basis of who can do it at the lowest cost, while there are an excess number of RJ's on the market to fill the demand, all the while with a pilot union that finds this acceptable (even desireable)...I think we all can see the inevitable conclustion to where this is all going. I for one am looking at getting out.

Companies/pilots trying to "win" at the regional game reminds me of that movie Wargames where the computer (Joshua) actually thinks it's possible to "win" a nuclear war. Through time it learns the futility of the whole excercise as it's a game with no winners. It's conclusion seems appropriate for our industry: "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

Well put! Wish the 'lifers' around my airline could see the light like you have. The past few years of backstabbing and relentless undercutting has ruined a significant number of careers made-up by the US Domestic market. To you guys who think you are going to fly an RJ for 30 years, congrats on being lazy. I'll take my chances anywhere else.

 

[widespreadpanic]

So if you want to control "your" flying, become CEO of one of the airlines, due what you like. Screw everyone in the process and walk away with millions...

JO is that you?????
WP

 

[DDpaysoff]

O.K. So basically we have a case of a regional pilot wanting to refuse the jumpseat based on the fact that another regional airline is flying something that he sees as "his" flying, when actually "his" flying is not his at all but some one elses "flying" And throughout all this there has been no scope or contract violation. Do I have it about right?

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the logic used here?

No, you're right.
Anyone who uses the jumpseat to simulate power or prowess is a jack___. And yes every airline has it's share of jack___'s. In fact were all jack___'s for even being involved in this industry. It's just work guys. 5000.

 

[Plug]

Just an FYI (butt) PLUG,, we didn't take any pay cuts for aircraft. Keep that in mind before you start running your mouth about $$$.

-AND-

We are not in violation of AMR. Please read up on Republic/Shuttle/CHQ.


No airline is innocent in this game of cut-throat.

Nice, with the Butt PLUG, that's classy. I'm assuming that is in response for butchering your company's name, oh well good one sport!

-Next-

I didn't say you took a paycut for airplanes, neither did my airline, I'm simply saying that one rate for FO's, and 70 seat rates that fall short of industry standard is just part of a $hit contract. Here is a link:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/67/18/

Your FO's top out at $34 an hour, what kind of crap is that. Not saying my pay rates are that much better, just that it is a 1998 contract and we have been in negotiations for almost 3 years. Take a look:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/64/18/

As far as Republic/Shuttle/CHQ, that is simply an end run around contract language, nice try though.

I made a comment based on a post by a CHQ pilot pissed off about Mesa coming and stealing his flying, I was simply pointing out the irony, so chill out homey!

 

[spitfire1500]

good luck with that it will be the same old mesa cry story its not us its our managment, boo hoo. Like they wern't the ones who signed the contract that undercuts everyone in the country. now in stead of going for the U wholly owns or AWAC they are out for comair blood

It sounds to me like your the one crying........dork!

 

[ERJDRVR2]

Nice, with the Butt PLUG, that's classy. I'm assuming that is in response for butchering your company's name, oh well good one sport!

-Next-
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/67/18/

Your FO's top out at $34 an hour, what kind of crap is that. Not saying my pay rates are that much better, just that it is a 1998 contract and we have been in negotiations for almost 3 years. Take a look:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/64/18/

As far as Republic/Shuttle/CHQ, that is simply an end run around contract language, nice try though.

I made a comment based on a post by a CHQ pilot pissed off about Mesa coming and stealing his flying, I was simply pointing out the irony, so chill out homey!

Why the $34 rate for Fo's ??? We have beaten this one to death. That is due to the J4J deal with Airways. There Fo's came in making top FO pay.
we have no 4 year Fo's on property. We will in the future, but by that time we are into the next contract.

As far as AMR, you said we were in vioation. We are no longer due to RP/SA/CHQ. word games/paper games, we are not in violation.

Now I am just educating you ". Being @ CHQ, we have learned to take in on the chin for many years from the W/O's. If you have a valid shot, we will take it, but do you homework "sport" and try to know what you are talking about, not what just some crusty/pissed off capt told you in the cockpit.





OVER

 

[sleeve]

Why the $34 rate for Fo's ??? We have beaten this one to death. That is due to the J4J deal with Airways. There Fo's came in making top FO pay.
we have no 4 year Fo's on property. We will in the future, but by that time we are into the next contract.

As far as AMR, you said we were in vioation. We are no longer due to RP/SA/CHQ. word games/paper games, we are not in violation.

Now I am just educating you ". Being @ CHQ, we have learned to take in on the chin for many years from the W/O's. If you have a valid shot, we will take it, but do you homework "sport" and try to know what you are talking about, not what just some crusty/pissed off capt told you in the cockpit.


Then why was it that during your union/management road shows back during contract time, a good friend of mine called me up (since he was very new to CHQ) and said they were told word for word that if we (CHQ) accepts this contract, and CMR turns down the paycut(not the latest freeze but the one before that) then CHQ will get a "substantial amount of growth and there will be quick upgrades".?

I told him that thats fine and dandy but what if you get stuck as an FO on that pay? Of course he saw a 1.5 year upgrade but is still making less than I am as an FO.

 

[ERJDRVR2]

I told him that thats fine and dandy but what if you get stuck as an FO on that pay? Of course he saw a 1.5 year upgrade but is still making less than I am as an FO.

He makes less as a CHQ CPT than you do as a Comair FO?? Am I reading this right??

You are making More than 55/hr as a Comair FO???

You may also wish to check your numbers before you post this silly stuff.

FYI 18 year pay as a Comair FO is $45.00 (which by the way you top out @ after 8 years) http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/56/17/
So how are you making more as a Comair FO than a CHQ CPT ???

 

[sleeve]

simple.....line value,per diem, work rules....

take your head outta your rear, did your really think I meant $/hr.. it comes down to what is on your pay stub at the end of the year.

BTW depending on how you view our freeze, 70 seat fo pay tops at $51.49 and 50 seat tops at $46.64... which when those airplanes aren't delivered per the delivery schedule, revert back to the conctractual pay. So you may want to go check your silly numbers again.

Also I wouldn't brag about making $55/hr as a CPT...

 

[KingAirer]

What a waste of space.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

I didn't say the pay rate was higher, but according to my friend who I just talked to my yearly income will be higher than his...Probably has something to do with work rules/per diem/line value and the fact that I think he is on reserve...

the difference between my payrate and his which (if your silly numbers are correct) is only about $15..and given the amount my lines are worth compared to his min line value on reserve doing mostly out and backs doesn't create that big of a difference..then if you factor in my per diem per month which is also quite a bit more ,DH pay etc.. mine adds up to just about what he is making...

BTW I wouldn't be bragging about 55 an hr..

oh and while we're being silly....70 FO pay tops at $51.49
...........................................50 FO pay tops at $46.64 so go check your fu.cking numbers as.shole.

When I do upgrade (which will most likely be this year) starting pay should be $69.06, then you and your silliness can come back and we can do the math all over again.. or you can keep surfing this website and airlinepilotcentral.com then go over to Ilikelittleboys.com and remain oblivious to anything because your whacking off to child porn all day.

disclaimer: Ilikelittleboys.com is a ficticious website, so if you actually tried going there I feel really really sorry for you..


there I'm done and can't belive i wasted 20 minutes of my day on this shi.t.

Easy there, Turbo

 

[ERJDRVR2]

sleeve[/b]]

I didn't say the pay rate was higher, but according to my friend who I just talked to my yearly income will be higher than his...Probably has something to do with work rules/per diem/line value and the fact that I think he is on reserve...

the difference between my payrate and his which (if your silly numbers are correct) is only about $15..and given the amount my lines are worth compared to his min line value on reserve doing mostly out and backs doesn't create that big of a difference..then if you factor in my per diem per month which is also quite a bit more ,DH pay etc.. mine adds up to just about what he is making...

BTW I wouldn't be bragging about 55 an hr..

oh and while we're being silly....70 FO pay tops at $51.49
...........................................50 FO pay tops at $46.64 so go check your fu.cking numbers as.shole.

When I do upgrade (which will most likely be this year) starting pay should be $69.06, then you and your silliness can come back and we can do the math all over again.. or you can keep surfing this website and airlinepilotcentral.com then go over to Ilikelittleboys.com and remain oblivious to anything because your whacking off to child porn all day.

Too funny !! I love, "when I do upgrade"...Well, when you do, you let us all know.

I wasn't bragging about $55/hr. Just comparing a 2nd year CHQ CPT pay to you as an 8 year Comair FO.

I guess I still don't see it. I must be slow.

 

[RP170]

Too funny !! I love, "when I do upgrade"...Well, when you do, you let us all know.

I wasn't bragging about $55/hr. Just comparing a 2nd year CHQ CPT pay to you as an 8 year Comair FO.

I guess I still don't see it. I must be slow.

I don't think you can find a regional out there now either where you can be an FO right out of training and have 16 days off per month right off the bat with no reserve. CHQ has to have the best schedules (QOL) out of all the regionals. Thank god for pref. bidding. It's not always just about the pay and I think a lot of the guys on here don't realize that. All they see is the $'s and not the QOL.