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[PCL_128]

How you can argue that there is no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda is beyond me.

That question can be answered with one of Numbnuts' own posts:

Don't try to use a small simple fact to turn the attention away from the big picture.

You see, facts aren't important to Numbnuts. He'll continue to rail against the President and the Republican party no matter what. All reasoning and common sense left him long ago when he decided to become a liberal.

 

[threegreen123]

The simple FACT of the matter is that the Bush administration has continualy lied to the American public. And we still have three years left. God help us!

3 Years left until Jeb gives it a try that is. God help us!

 

[fugghedabowdit]

Saddam Hussein could not stand to have Al-Qaeda on his turf, it would represent a second power base and destablize his authority. He regularly killed Islamic fundamentalist clerics for this reason. His was a secular regime, Al-Qaeda is not.

The SAUDIS gave logistical and financial support. Go bomb them.

This war was about WMD which did not exist. Plain and simple. what we're seeing now is mission creep, which is what George 41 avoided during Gulf War 1. IMO, he was a highly underrated President and made alot of tough calls that he got alot of flack for. He knew an unstable, toppled Iraq was beyond the mission of liberating Kuwait and he stuck to his guns. Too bad Jr had to try to one up him. He wanted to do this from the minute he took office and 9/11 gave him the perfect cover. What a wasted opportunity to unite the country and the world against the real enemy.

The fact that we are so divided about this is a faliure of his Presidency.

 

[Foldem]

The WMD are most likely in Syria, but that isn't really the point. The point is that there were many reasons for going to war in Iraq, not just WMD:

1. Remove a murderous dictator that was known for using chemical weapons for the systematic murder of his opponents
-Is it not murder when we kill his people?
2. Remove a regime from power that was friendly to the terrorist groups that aim to destroy western culture
-Is the US not responible for its relationships with terrorist groups that share that goal?
3. Fight the enemy somewhere other than the homeland
-You're implying Iraqis were about in invade. False.
4. Begin a process that will change the basic culture in the Middle East and move it towards democracy
-No, it won't. The Iraqis know it. Trust their own judgement.

 

[D.sanchez]

The WMD are most likely in Syria, but that isn't really the point. The point is that there were many reasons for going to war in Iraq, not just WMD

If WMD's wasn't the major reason for invading Iraq, why were most of Bush's, Chenney's, Rumsfield's speeches leading up to the war talking so much about Iraq and their WMD threat? I remember the speeches almost exclusively about 'the smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud' and ' Saddam's WMD'S falling into the wrong hands..' and such. Maybe you don't remember this because you have selective memory... or maybe you're just lying to yourself. I remember, and so does everyone else.

Oh, now they're in Syria....ARE YOU F'ING KIDDING ME?!?!?.. If Saddam had WMD's, he would have used them when we he was cornered and had nowhere to run-- I can think of no reason why he wouldn't have used them.. he had nothing to left to lose....Before you respond to my post, answer this question.. Why would Saddam not use the only weapons (the supposed WMD's) he had to defend himself? The simple answer is, he didn't have them. Stop making up unbelievable BS about sending them to Syria.

 

[HoursHore]

Is that Avatar from Bang Bus?

 

[AirBill]

What was the title of this thread again?

It should be "Tools With Diarrheah of the Mouth Who Can't Stay on Topic."

I figure it's only a matter of time before someone blames Iraq and WMD on Chautauqua or Mesa. Or Gulfstream. Or Pinnacle. Or the RJDC.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

You see, facts aren't important to Numbnuts. He'll continue to rail against the President and the Republican party no matter what. All reasoning and common sense left him long ago when he decided to become a liberal.

Exactly.

 

[PCL_128]

-Is it not murder when we kill his people?

No, we aren't attacking innocent Iraqis. We are attacking terrorists who aim to destroy the fragile democracy that is being built in Iraq. The terrorists are the ones killing the Iraqis with their car bombs and suicide bombers.

2. Remove a regime from power that was friendly to the terrorist groups that aim to destroy western culture
-Is the US not responible for its relationships with terrorist groups that share that goal?

You'll have to be more specific. I'm not aware of any U.S. relationship with a terrorist group.

3. Fight the enemy somewhere other than the homeland
-You're implying Iraqis were about in invade. False.

Not at all. You fail to see that we aren't fighting Iraqis now. We are fighting terrorists that have come to Iraq from places like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, etc... Their aim is to destroy the progress that has been made in Iraq. If they're fighting us there, then they aren't fighting us here at home.

4. Begin a process that will change the basic culture in the Middle East and move it towards democracy
-No, it won't. The Iraqis know it. Trust their own judgement.

I'd venture to say that you don't have a clue what the Iraqis think. All you know is what CNN and Al Franken tell you. Try talking to some American servicemen whenever you see them in the terminal. I do ever chance I get. They usually don't talk of car bombs and terrorists. They talk of the schools, police stations, fire stations, electric grid, etc... that they are all creating in Iraq. Stop listening to CNN and start listening to the people that were actually there working on this new democracy. I trust their judgement a lot more than I trust Christian Amanpour from CNN.

 

[blingair]

Wow, reading the posts from the people on the right, they seem to be chanting the same things over and over. Its getting harder and harder to swallow the same general idealisms handed to them from the President.

 

[PCL_128]

Wow, reading the posts from the people on the right, they seem to be chanting the same things over and over. Its getting harder and harder to swallow the same general idealisms handed to them from the President.

You mean like the same crap we keeping hearing the moronic left chant over and over again:

"No blood for oil!"
"Where's the WMD?"
"This is why the world doesn't like us."

And on and on. As you might say: "It's getting harder and harder to swallow the same general idealisms handed to them from CNN and Michael Moore."

 

[Crash Pad]

I was unaware that a liberal pilot existed... Let me be the first to say that I was for the war in Iraq and not because of the WMD. I knew all along that the gift of freedom and elections is the noble duty of every american. Which is why I support the full invasion of every nondemocratic country in the world... Hey you had me at hello... Go big or stay home lets not half a$$ with one democracy lets hit em all... China, Korea, Iran, the list goes on.
Furthermore I'm happy that we saved the people of Iraq from the WMD's that Saddam was willing to use on them. We should all feel responsible for putting Saddam in power and part of that responsibility is removing him from power... Similar to the Taliban. I vote that we do the same for all of the genocides in Africa. Again go big or stay home.
I'm also glad that this message board caught Syria. After the London bombings I was concerned that we wouldn't have much of a link to anyone we could invade... luckily Syria has stepped up to the plate.
The one thing I will never understand about a guy like Saddam is this... I'm an evil mastermind. I'm the biggest threat since Hitler to the world. The "put a boot in your ass" USA is coming... The first thing I would do is lock and load the WMD's and take everyone down in a blaze of glory... or I would ship them to Syria. I know Hitler wouldn't have shipped to Syria. The face of evil is a tricky one.
I think it is time to show the world that the US of A can do what the Romans, French, British, and countless others could not... Build an empire!

 

[blingair]

You mean like the same crap we keeping hearing the moronic left chant over and over again:

"No blood for oil!"
"Where's the WMD?"
"This is why the world doesn't like us."

And on and on. As you might say: "It's getting harder and harder to swallow the same general idealisms handed to them from CNN and Michael Moore."

There is much anger with this one. Once again you deal in generalisms. I can't think of a better reason to go to war than oil, its the life blood of modern people; insomuch as our supplies are threatend, but not to plunder others. As a life long Republican who voted both times for W (reluctantly the second time) I think we can and should think for ourselves and its our duty to call B.S. on our leaders. Fine, if we want to go to war and spill blood our reasons should be absolute without revolving policy. As for the argument about fighting the enemy over there insted of in the U.S., all this war did was bring Muslim moderates off the fence onto the other side. I have many friends who are fighting in Iraq who are the best people on earth. Not one drop of their blood is worth cramming democracy down the throats of zealouts.

 

[Traumahawk]

The SAUDIS gave logistical and financial support. Go bomb them.

This war was about WMD which did not exist.

The fact that we are so divided about this is a faliure of his Presidency.

It's so clear to some people. Others are just brainwashed.

Isn't it easier to call everyone who doesn't go along with this falacy an unamerican liberal cnn watching leftist? I mean it just makes it all go away.

Hey, for all of you who are just so pro-Iraq war. Do me a favor, go get shot at yourself on the sands of Iraq and we'll trade you for a friend or brother or sister that we'd much rather have here at home. Put your money where your mouth is. If you're sooo supportive and nuts about this whole joke, than nomatter your age, either enlist or catch a flight to the sandbox with your M16 that these horrible liberals want to take away from you, and join the ranks.

Think about what a horrible, horrible situation this war has become.
"Mission accomplished"
No WMD
NO Osama
Continuing terrorist attacks
Rising population of al Qeada in Iraq
over ONE THOUSAND seven HUNDRED Americans dead

Then imagine if it was a "LIBERAL" in office pushing this crap in your face. LYING to your face. You wouldn't support the notion of your kids going over there. If you say you would, your a liar.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Think about what a horrible, horrible situation this war has become.
"Mission accomplished"
No WMD
NO Osama
Continuing terrorist attacks
Rising population of al Qeada in Iraq
over ONE THOUSAND seven HUNDRED Americans dead

Then imagine if it was a "LIBERAL" in office pushing this crap in your face. LYING to your face. You wouldn't support the notion of your kids going over there. If you say you would, your a liar.

So tell us, oh wise one, what is your brilliant plan to save the world? Why don't we just go over there with candles and stand around singing Kumbaya? Perhaps then those evil terrorists will realize that we are really good people and they will come sing with us. Then we can all live happily ever after in our southern California homes as we eat tofu chips, talk of saving the environment, and drive our Hummers or Land Rovers around town.

 

[Traumahawk]

BLAH BLAH

Are you talking? Have you contributed anything other than a shallow smart comment or two?

 

[Traumahawk]

So tell us, oh wise one, what is your brilliant plan to save the world? Why don't we just go over there with candles and stand around singing Kumbaya? Perhaps then those evil terrorists will realize that we are really good people and they will come sing with us. Then we can all live happily ever after in our southern California homes as we eat tofu chips and talk of saving the environment as we drive our Hummers and Land Rovers around town.

You don't get it do you? You just don't get it.

Thanks for posting the ONLY alternative to invading IRAQ.

IGNORANT.

P.S. I'll take your looking to me for the answer as conceding that yes, theres no way around it. The reason for war was false, and the outcome so far is disturbing, to say the least.

 

[PCL_128]

You don't get it do you? You just don't get it.

Thanks for posting the ONLY alternative to invading IRAQ.

IGNORANT.

And yet, you still didn't answer his question. I'll repeat it for you since you are obviously developmentally disabled (I believe that's the PC term you libs are using for it nowdays): So tell us, oh wise one, what is your brilliant plan to save the world?

I'll give you a few minutes to answer since I'm sure you'll have to go cut and paste your response from a few CNN reports.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

You don't get it do you? You just don't get it.

Thanks for posting the ONLY alternative to invading IRAQ.

IGNORANT.

So, since you are not ignorant...then tell me, where is it that you get your abundance of knowledge on world issues? Are you in the armed forces? Do you work for the CIA? I mean, with all of these statements you are throwing out, surely you must be far more educated about what is going on than those who are in office. Please, everyone, nominate Traumahawk for President in 2008. He has it all figured out.

 

[idratherfly4283]

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