Free Jet Time

[English]

Co-Pilots are not required on Angel Flights. I fly several Angel Flight missions a month and am often single pilot.

OK. My mistake. I used to do lots of Angel Flights missions in the late 90s and "mission assistants" were required back then.

 

[English]

How do you know that the jet time doesn't exist?

I wrote that FREE jet time doesn't exist. You didn't read the whole sentence.

 

[pilotguy5]

I e-mailed him; supposedly a CFI, CFI-I, and MEI and has been flying since he was 8 yrs old. 26yr old punk if you ask me.

 

[91100 100 set]

I am always a little suspicious of guys who use the term "boi" to identify themselves in any context.

 

[seethru]

I don't think I would go to the trouble of advertising for somebody who would essentially be a companion on the trips. It seems a little weird. I can only imagine that somebody who flies a CJ2 for personal trips knows enough people (pilots and non-pilots) who would jump at the opportunity.

Regarding Angel Flight - what a great organization. I've been a pilot with them for a little over 2 years and still get a kick out of it. They only require the pilot. A co-pilot or mission assistant is purely optional but I take one whenever I can. I hate the long dead heads and it's nice to have somebody on board when the patient and family are on board.

 

[EDUC8-or]

Do you think he's a dude?

e-mail me at [email protected]

My vote is yes.

 

[KigAir]

Co-Pilots are not required on Angel Flights. I fly several Angel Flight missions a month and am often single pilot.

Are there any insurance issues while perform an Angel Flight?

 

[seethru]

You are required to carry insurance. I don't remember what the minimums for coverage are, however.



The patient and any companions that go with them sign a form saying they won't hold you or Angel Flight at fault if something goes wrong. Of course anybody can sue for anything, so I don't think it guarantees against any litigation.

 

[YourNameHere]

Are there any insurance issues while perform an Angel Flight?

All you need is proof that your aircraft is insured. Patientes are required to sign liability waivers but, as Seethru mentioned, anybody can sue for anything. That is true of anybody you fly in your plane.

Minimums vary slightly from region to region. I fly for Angel Flight Northeast and the minimums are: 300TT, an instrument rating (and current), and 25 hrs in type.

It is a very rewarding experience. Many patients are very sick children and often the only fun they have had in a very long time is flying in a "small" plane. At the very least the flight is a temporary diversion from thinking about their illness.

If your interested:

Angel Flight West www.angelflight.org

Angel Flight Central www.angelflightcentral.org

Angel Flight South Central www.angelflightsc.org

Angel Flight Northeast www.angelflightne.org

Angel Flight Mid Atlantic www.angel-flight.org

Angel Flight Southeast www.angelflightse.org

 

[FN FAL]

I wrote that FREE jet time doesn't exist. You didn't read the whole sentence.

Rodger that! You'll have to pardon my hearing loss, I've been married for 13.27 years.

 

[Flying Illini]

Rodger that! You'll have to pardon my hearing loss, I've been married for 13.27 years.

But who's counting!

 

[sky37d]

While I agree that the guy writing this seems to have a major ego, and he's pushing free "jet" time that doesn't exist, there is actually a good reason to fly with him (if you can stand it) - the cause of Angel Flight is really a good one. Copilots are required on missions so you'd be fulfilling a vital role in making a flight happen.

If co-pilots are required, could you log the SIC time, as a requirment of the operation?? I remember reading here that while a B200 is a single pilot plane, if the operating requirements required an SIC, it could be logged.

 

[CUEBOAT]

If co-pilots are required, could you log the SIC time, as a requirment of the operation?? I remember reading here that while a B200 is a single pilot plane, if the operating requirements required an SIC, it could be logged.

I think you can log it, but is considered phantom flight time by most. I had to set a punk FO in a beech 200 straight recently for talking down to me cause I fly a piston twin single pilot. As if being SIC in a B-200 is the most sought after flight experience.

 

[mattpilot]

no you can't log it... Why? Because the FAA doesn't require a second pilot to be on board. Just because an insurance company or organization wants you to have a second person on board, does not mean you can log it in accordance with FAA regs.

Now if you go to 135 ops that requires a second in command on single pilot airplanes, you can log it. Why? Because the FAA has approved the operations with 2 pilots, and if you don't have 2 pilots, the operation can't take place. Thus, the FAA requires that 2 pilots be on board and is therefore loggable.

 

[DX Rick]

I am always a little suspicious of guys who use the term "boi" to identify themselves in any context.

Thats how the gays identify themselves these days "BOI"

That and Super Man tattoos.

 

[English]

no you can't log it... Why? Because the FAA doesn't require a second pilot to be on board. Just because an insurance company or organization wants you to have a second person on board, does not mean you can log it in accordance with FAA regs.

Sorry, guys, wrong answer. It's not whether the airplane is considered "single pilot", what matters is whether the pilot in command has a CE525 (crew) rating, or a CE525s (single pilot) rating. If this guy has the CE525 type rating, he CAN'T fly single pilot. He must fly with a copilot. If he has a CE525s, he can fly EITHER single pilot or as a crew. This is a CJ, not a King Air. What matters is the wording in the type certificate for the aircraft. The Cessna 525 type certification data sheet states: “Minimum Crew for all Flights: One pilot (in the left pilot seat) plus additional equipment as specified in the Kinds of Operations Equipment List (KOEL) contained in the Limitations Section of the FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual or one pilot and one copilot.” That means one or two crew members are required. If the pilot in command or aircraft don't meet the requirement to fly single pilot (like using a headset with a boom mike, having an operative autopilot, amongst other items) a copilot is required.

My first gig in a CJ was as a copilot. I had a 8410 as an SIC. Trust me that I logged legitimate time as SIC, both 135 and 91.

If you really want to delve deeper, read what DOC writes at http://www.propilot.com/doc/bbs/msgs//9481.html


Bottom line is that the guy MIGHT be able to log the time as SIC. It's not as cut and dried as answer as "no you can't log it".

 

[labbats]

"Boi" George specifically said you couldn't log it with him. So why are you arguing the point?

If this thread spirals into one of those ever-so-exciting "what can I log, dude?" debates I'm going to be forced to put tape over all of your static ports.

 

[English]

I don't think it's arguing the point. It's called educating with factual information.

It's a common occurence here for members to associate logging SIC time in a King Air with logging SIC time in a CJ. The association is not relevant.

Besides, I'm one post away from 3000 posts. We've already debated everything else here over the years. What else is left?

 

[HMR]

Congratulations E. on your 3,000th post!

4 or 5 of them were very insightful!

 

[English]

That many?

I thought most of them were fluff. But thanks for the kind words!