Fractionals and Tablets (IPad)

[wolfpackpilot]

Any 91K operators out there using a tablet like the IPad for Jepps and company manuals??

Would love to hear some feedback.

 

[XTW]

CA uses Fujitsu tablets. Running Jeppesen Flite Deck and CPCALC with a host of manuals stored. They are getting dated and can be used as chocks if inop. Word is that a replacement is being evaluated.

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[flyzimex]

CA uses Fujitsu tablets. Running Jeppesen Flite Deck and CPCALC with a host of manuals stored. They are getting dated and can be used as chocks if inop. Word is that a replacement is being evaluated.

X

Sounds like ours.

I know we are looking at the Ipad for our fleet of 25+ aircraft.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I bought my wife an IPad to use as a book reader.... Now I have to go get one for myself. These things are truly amazing when viewing documents and photos.

$600 for the tablet, and ???? for the Jepps subscription, I think you would be hard pressed to find something better in that price range.

 

[Dooker]

They issued us tablets at Flexjet, but they were made out of stone.

Thanks. I'll be here all week.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I bought my wife an IPad to use as a book reader.... Now I have to go get one for myself. These things are truly amazing when viewing documents and photos.

$600 for the tablet, and ???? for the Jepps subscription, I think you would be hard pressed to find something better in that price range.

Wait for the -2 bud. Supposed to be Flash Player compatible and have a micro-usb input and better battery life.

 

[Sparse]

CA uses Fujitsu tablets. Running Jeppesen Flite Deck and CPCALC with a host of manuals stored. They are getting dated and can be used as chocks if inop. Word is that a replacement is being evaluated.

X

CA is actually having Ipad tested. What I have heard so far is that it froze up at 103 degrees during temperatue test. Not sure if that is a deal breaker.

 

[XTW]

CA is actually having Ipad tested. What I have heard so far is that it froze up at 103 degrees during temperatue test. Not sure if that is a deal breaker.

Only on the CJ3.

 

[skyismyoffice]

I bought my wife an IPad to use as a book reader.... Now I have to go get one for myself. These things are truly amazing when viewing documents and photos.

$600 for the tablet, and ???? for the Jepps subscription, I think you would be hard pressed to find something better in that price range.

$750 for the US Jeppview subscription. I like it - especially when I have to do updates. Press the button and presto - done!

 

[wolfpackpilot]

When it first came out I thought the IPad was just another Apple gimmick and wouldn't make it til Christmas... (I also bought a lot of Delta stock from 02-05)

This device will change the game within 24 months IMHO. It works, its smooth, has battery life... blah blah blah. We have so many manuals, handouts, charts, Jepps, FOM's, etc etc. And they all can go on this tiny little IPad.

 

[CA1900]

When it first came out I thought the IPad was just another Apple gimmick and wouldn't make it til Christmas... (I also bought a lot of Delta stock from 02-05)

I thought the same thing about the iPod when it came out in 2001. Whoops... :laugh:

 

[Flyingdog1]

Been thinking of getting an Ipad for myself. Found a program called "Foreflight" for 74.95( per year ), including chart subscription (VFR/IFR high and lo and all plates). The program includes AFD, wx, flight planning tools..... Anyone tried this?

 

[rigger]

Been thinking of getting an Ipad for myself. Found a program called "Foreflight" for 74.95( per year ), including chart subscription (VFR/IFR high and lo and all plates). The program includes AFD, wx, flight planning tools..... Anyone tried this?

An amazing program and worth every penny. I use it on every flight also got a Bluetooth antenna that sits on the dash and presto moving map on the charts, not yet avail on the approach plates only on the endings and the sectional but after speaking with them they are in the process of bringing them onto the approach SIDS and star charts. FBI info taxi info make big make small etc etc....don't even open the chart book any longer

 

[jonjuan]

This device will change the game within 24 months IMHO. It works, its smooth, has battery life... blah blah blah. We have so many manuals, handouts, charts, Jepps, FOM's, etc etc. And they all can go on this tiny little IPad.

Until you step on it in the middle of the night when you have to get up to take a leak. I tried to return to the apple store and told them "it just broke." They didnt believe me. oh well.

 

[Mike Jenvey]

There is an interesting article via AIN here:

Some other considerations also covered here:

AINalerts >> January 2011
Avionics

Chicago-based charter/management provider N-Jet has started using Apple iPads for in-flight display of approach plates. Avionics & Systems Integration Group (ASIG) of Little Rock, Ark., helped N-Jet meet guidance in FAA Advisory Circular 120-76A and Order 8900.1, Volume 4, Chapter 15 and create an iPad test plan that includes depressurization and electromagnetic interference testing. ASIG’s rapid depressurization tests cost $200 per iPad. “We need to make sure there’s no bubble in a processor or arcing of electrical contacts,” said ASIG managing director Luke Ribich, “or air in a [lithium-ion] battery pack. That is a real risk.” N-Jet does EMI testing in its avionics shop, according to Howard Seedorf, president and CEO. The iPads replace paper charts with Jeppesen plates in the Jeppesen Mobile TC app. The FAA allowed N-Jet to eliminate paper charts under OpsSpec A061. N-Jet pilots are still using paper en route charts, said Seedorf, because it’s easier to plot on paper. Each pilot is issued an iPad, and the N-Jet operations manual specifies a minimum level of battery charge for dispatch. Pilots fit the iPads into a custom-built kneepad, and the device is not charged in flight or wired to the aircraft.

Ouch - $200 to test *each* iPad??? That could make a big dent in the economic viability, especially for large quantities......

 

[batsky2000]

The problem with using the Ipad is that like my Ipod Touch or the IPhone, you have to connect that thing to your laptop to do any software updates, and if you need to load the jepps onto it, you have to have a wi-fi connection or again hook it up to a laptop, so I don't think it is that great of an option. I prefer the standard EFB's that have a windows based operating system with an external dvd drive so that when I am on a long flight, I can just drop in the cd's into the drive an do the Jepp updates in route, Can't do that with the Ipad, plus it is going through too many changes right now, while a standard EFB will last much longer until you decide to upgrade the operating system, plus there are many more options with a standard EFB like being able to expand the memory, or watching a DVD, etc...

 

[Sparse]

Ouch - $200 to test *each* iPad??? That could make a big dent in the economic viability, especially for large quantities......

The EFBs I have used range in price from 2000 to 4000 dollars. I think you can get an IPAD for 600 dollars. At that price comparison, the 200 dollars is not a big deal.

 

[rigger]

The EFBs I have used range in price from 2000 to 4000 dollars. I think you can get an IPAD for 600 dollars. At that price comparison, the 200 dollars is not a big deal.

Hell I wont fly without it now....updates itself easy to see for my old eyes (I can zoom in and out up and down) small.....Plus I get to play golf and poker from TEB to Boca....

 

[jetwash]

Flight Options just announced line testing of the iPad in the Legacy and if all goes well they hope to have the whole fleet switched to iPads by the summer.

They are including the Jepp charts along with the ForeFlight software on the units with all the company docs in the PDF reader.

They can't come soon enough.

 

[FRACTRASH]

We're getting our IPADs at Citationair by the end of summer. management just sent everyone the E-mail.

 

[Flyingdog1]

Foreflight uses NOS charts, I prefer Jepps, mainly because I'm used to them. Is there a way to use Jepps with Foreflight?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Phenomenal operating platform. Within 36 mos my prediction is that Jepps will have a 15% surcharge for paper plates/documents.

The Ipad has revolutionized the brown binders. This is a perfect example of technology changing the long standard norm.

I of course spent 5 hours this tour stuffing plates in the Africa books which have never been used once in the 12 years they've sat in the back of the plane.


Wolf


PS... whats with Ac-u-quick charging $40 for their International book? That's WAY to much.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Foreflight uses NOS charts, I prefer Jepps, mainly because I'm used to them. Is there a way to use Jepps with Foreflight?

I don't think so. Jepps has their own Ipad App now. $800+ for world wide plates/charts.

 

[ex-nutjeter]

I love the Plane Book that Gulfstream has, we have 2 in our aircraft, they are great, I could not see the iPad having the same features, plus it is the wrong size to fit on the yoke. QRH, FOM, AOM, Etc. all incorporated, plus it is a windows based system, which I prefer, I especially love the fact that the Plane Book turns into a regular laptop with the flip of the screen, you get a full keyboard under the screen, I am not too fond of typing on the screen anyways. Plus I get to run any windows program that I want, and flash video which Apple still refuses to allow.....

 

[gutshotdraw]

Phenomenal operating platform. Within 36 mos my prediction is that Jepps will have a 15% surcharge for paper plates/documents.

The Ipad has revolutionized the brown binders. This is a perfect example of technology changing the long standard norm.

Wolf


PS... whats with Ac-u-quick charging $40 for their International book? That's WAY to much.

Fear not my friend. Passed through the Command Post this morning. I-pads will be on your lap sooner rather than later.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I-pads will be on your lap sooner rather than later.

......SAY WHAT?!?!?!.........:erm:........I just peed my pants!

 

[ozpilot]

Fear not my friend. Passed through the Command Post this morning. I-pads will be on your lap sooner rather than later.

Oh yes, please do go on ..... :cartman:

 

[wolfpackpilot]

NEWS

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, February 11, 2011



JEPPESEN AND EXECUTIVE JET MANAGEMENT COLLABORATE TO GAIN FAA AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF JEPPESEN CHARTS ON IPAD

ENGLEWOOD, COLO., February 11, 2011 – Jeppesen today announced that Executive Jet Management has received authorization from the Federal Aviation Administration to use the Jeppesen Mobile TC App for iPad as an alternative to paper aeronautical charts. The authorization allows Executive Jet Management to use iPad and the Jeppesen Mobile TC App as the sole reference for electronic charts, even during taxi, takeoff and landing. Executive Jet Management, a wholly owned subsidiary of NetJets Inc., is a leading provider of worldwide jet charter and aircraft anagement services.

This announcement is a result of a three-month extensive in-flight evaluation managed by Executive Jet Management and Jeppesen with regular engagement of the FAA (including local and national Electronic Flight Bag authorization authorities). The cross-industry collaboration sets an important precedent for the aviation community. Lessons learned, processes established, and templates developed during this project may benefit other companies seeking to deploy EFB solutions on iPad.

“The exceptional collaboration between operator, supplier and the FAA was remarkable,” said Mark Van Tine, Jeppesen president and chief executive officer. “This serves as a model for how the FAA can be engaged in working through a challenge and defining a solution that moves the industry forward safely and efficiently. Executive Jet Management’s role was critical to the success of this project. They possess the necessary skills, credibility and EFB experience to help all parties understand, from an operator’s perspective, the unique issues and benefits related to using iPad in flight.”

The Jeppesen Mobile TC App and iPad were thoroughly evaluated by Executive Jet Management pilots who logged more than 250 flight segments. Pilots participating in the evaluation reported that they were particularly pleased with the app’s ease of use, simplicity to manage, speed and display clarity. As a result of the full analysis, enhancements to crew procedures, training updates and software improvements were included in the Jeppesen Mobile TC App version 1.2, released last month.

The authorized EFB configuration is a Class 1 portable, kneeboard EFB solution that is secured and viewable during critical phases of flight as defined in FAA Order 8900.1. Information obtained from this evaluation will also be useful in gaining future authorization for Class 2 mounted configurations utilizing iPad.

“Executive Jet Management was pleased to collaborate with Jeppesen and the FAA on this leading edge iPad EFB solution and to support the introduction of this technology to the industry,” said Executive Jet Management President Robert Garrymore. “The collaboration with Jeppesen and the FAA was key in making this innovation possible and we are proud to be a part of it.”

In support of the authorization effort:

• A total of 55 pilots and 10 different aircraft types from the Executive Jet Management fleet were involved in 250 flight segments to ensure a broad scope of feedback

• Jeppesen commissioned a successful rapid decompression test on iPad to 51,000 feet in altitude • Executive Jet Management completed successful non-interference testing on the evaluation aircraft

• The project followed established FAA EFB authorization requirements applicable to an air carrier

For more information on the Jeppesen Mobile TC App, please visit

www.jeppesen.com/jeppesen-mobile-tc.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Oz. Sim sessions this past week in your fleet were conducted using ipads. All feedback has been uniformly positive. Formal proposal is in process.

The theory is, each pilot will be issued a unit and responsible for keeping d-bases up to date and batteries charged before every flight among other requirements that will be in the Ops Spec as well as the new FOM (that is being written right now, yes another re-write to incorporate GLC-look for it by mid-summer). The downside of the ipad is that you won't be able to put ANYTHING on it other than approved docs and apps.

My question will be, can I buy my own, put all the company materials on it, comply with the FOM section, but then be able to use it as I wish for personal stuff?

Either way, I see it as a positive step.

 

[jonjuan]

Fear not my friend. Passed through the Command Post this morning. I-pads will be on your lap sooner rather than later.

Sooner = 2013, later - 2015.