Fractional flying dropped 10.6 percent in April

[jonjuan]

It matters little that 11% if workers nationwide are unionized. The fact that over 90% of professional pilots are unionized is what matters.

In the US, worldwide? What are your qualifiers of "professional pilots?"

 

[gret]

And here we have if folks, the union-buster plying his trade. His objective is to apply doubt, fear and obfuscation.

It matters little that 11% if workers nationwide are unionized. The fact that over 90% of professional pilots are unionized is what matters.

It appears you're off your med again. Talk to your mom and get control of yourself.

 

[gret]

Here is an educational piece about how Gret and his buds run things. Does any of this sound familiar?

http://inthesetimes.com/article/3326/unionbusting_confidential/

It took forever to load the link and it was frightfully dull.

Try Porntube.com and Directporntube.com in the future to at least make it interesting.

 

[pilotyip]

In the US, worldwide? What are your qualifiers of "professional pilots?"

In his mind you can't be professional if you are not union and work for a living driving airplanes. Those Fortune 500 pilots, those 135, and all sort of other pilots whose union companies went out of business, are not professional.

You will notice at FI, if you are not 100% pro-union urging on a strike vote, screaming injustice and demanding everyone wall in line with that thinking, well then you are 100% anti-union.

 

[imacdog]

What about nonunion companies that lose their flying, Yip? You should be pretty familiar with those.

 

[pilotyip]

What about nonunion companies that lose their flying, Yip? You should be pretty familiar with those.

and union companies that lose their flying also, but back to the question if you are not working fora unuion company are youy still a professional pilot? How about former NJ pilots, like the ones at JUS the best job they could find, are they professional pilots

 

[Praetorian]

It appears you're off your med again. Talk to your mom and get control of yourself.

Right out of the union-busters toolbox. An ad hominem attack.

 

[Praetorian]

In his mind you can't be professional if you are not union and work for a living driving airplanes. Those Fortune 500 pilots, those 135, and all sort of other pilots whose union companies went out of business, are not professional.

You will notice at FI, if you are not 100% pro-union urging on a strike vote, screaming injustice and demanding everyone wall in line with that thinking, well then you are 100% anti-union.

Nope I think if you get paid to fly you are a professional. Don't put words in my mouth chump.

But there are many many more airline pilots than all other types of pilots. How many non union airlines can you think of?

 

[Praetorian]

It took forever to load the link and it was frightfully dull.

Try Porntube.com and Directporntube.com in the future to at least make it interesting.

Do you frequent those web sites, when your not plying your trade on here?

 

[Praetorian]

In the US, worldwide? What are your qualifiers of "professional pilots?"

Not sure, pulled the number out of my ass. But I think the number is probably on the conservative side, given the overall percentage of pilots who fly for airlines and Fracs. Both segments are overwhelmingly unionized.

I think if you fly for a living you are a professional pilot. Didn't think that one would be controversial.

 

[imacdog]

and union companies that lose their flying also, but back to the question if you are not working fora unuion company are youy still a professional pilot? How about former NJ pilots, like the ones at JUS the best job they could find, are they professional pilots

Yes they are professionals. Show me where I said otherwise.

 

[gret]

Not sure, pulled the number out of my ass. But I think the number is probably on the conservative side, given the overall percentage of pilots who fly for airlines and Fracs. Both segments are overwhelmingly unionized.

I think if you fly for a living you are a professional pilot. Didn't think that one would be controversial.

Let me help you as I know numbers are a challenge-

..."While the US market is fragile, signs of recovery are beginning to emerge. Flightglobal's Ascend Online database reveals the USA's inventory of jets and turboprops climbed by more than 300 during the census period to 17,438 turbine business aircraft."...

I know there are variables, but if you assume 2 pilots for each aircraft, you end up with 34,000 pilots. How many work for the fractionals? Not very many in the whole scheme of things.

"Overwhelming" it is not.​

 

[Pervis]

"Overwhelming" it is not.

He specifies Airlines and Fractionals. Those two segments, from the first paragraph you quoted, are overwhelmingly unionized. The second simply affirms what most would agree on-pilots paid to fly are professional.

 

[gret]

Pervis...I think you have to go to post #31 to get the gist of the issue. It stated that over 90% of professional pilots are unionized.

No question that most frac and airline pilots belong to a union, but in the business jet industry, less than 12% of the pilots belong to the union. Probably less than 10% as my assumption of 2 pilots per aircraft is conservative. Three pilots is more likely and that would put the business jet pilot population around 50,000.

Given the number of airline pilots, nobody would question that a majority of "commercial" pilots belong to a union, but certainly not 90%. The US airline fleet, including cargo, is only around 7,200 aircraft. The most recent US Bureau of Labor statistics show a total airline pilot census of around 100K.

The inference taken from the observation was that if you don't belong to a union, you're not a professional...disrespecting 99% of mgmt/charter shops, private/corporate flight departments, etc.

The poster admitted his figures were pulled from his 7th planet from the sun. Hopefully in the future, more accurate and precise data will be provided from alternative sources and words will be used in a more responsible manner so that feelings won't be hurt needlessly...

 

[Pervis]

Point taken gret. A better comparison might be how many companies that employ X number of pilots or more are unionized. A flight department with 3 or 4 pilots would most likely be non-union, but the larger outfits with hundreds or more from frac to cargo to airline are most likely union. All are professional-no argument.

While I don't always agree with the direction a union may want to take me, the real issue is large outfits are not the place for individually negotiated compensation packages. The time alone spent by any company would be far greater than that spent negotiating a CBA that present a fair and equitable package for all, eliminating the majority of favoritism.

It is unfortunate that unions do indeed protect the weakest link, but so do management teams through their own 'good ole boyz club' and nepotism. How else can one explain how people like Ichan, Lorenzo, Boisture, Scheeringa, etc continue to find new frontiers after destroying the lives of so many employees through no fault of the union?

Who takes from the company more? Look at the CEO for AA. While the courts turned down his $20 million dollar bonus package, he'll still milk it somehow. All for "only" losing how much money?

At Netjets, we are enjoying record profits while sales remain flat. If we can do that on operations alone, the sky is the limit. The employees on the pointy end simply want a better share-not enough to break the comany, and certainly not a $20 million bonus. The CEO wants a higher profit margine off of our backs so he can get his multimillion bonus. Who's the real greedy one here? At least we recognize the human element. To him we're simply a liability.