Fortune magazine article on Sokal

[mzaharis]

Fortune magazine article on Sokol

Offered without opinion or comment - thought you might find it interesting.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/29/news/companies/buffets_mr_fixit_full.fortune/index.htm#sokol_full

 

[imacdog]

You must have spent a lot of time researching based on your spelling.

 

[mzaharis]

You must have spent a lot of time researching based on your spelling.

Just corrected it - thanks.

As for research, I think I saw it linked off of CNN.com, and thought some of you might want to read it.

 

[imacdog]

Not to worry, it's a common mistake for those on the outside.

 

[mzaharis]

Now I remember where I got "Sokal" on the brain - there was a physicist named Alan Sokal who played a hoax on a bunch of post-modernist "academics", submitting an intentionally nonsensical paper to a post-moderenist journal, which they still published. Made quite a splash in academia in the mid '90s, and made the post-modernist crowd look pretty foolish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

 

[gunfyter]

Now I remember where I got "Sokal" on the brain - there was a physicist named Alan Sokal who played a hoax on a bunch of post-modernist "academics", submitting an intentionally nonsensical paper to a post-moderenist journal, which they still published. Made quite a splash in academia in the mid '90s, and made the post-modernist crowd look pretty foolish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

More recently, one of the 911 Truther "Scientific studies" promoting the idea that the World Trade Center collapse was a Demolition was published in a similar "Peer-reviewed" science magazine. Nut jobs running around claiming to have peer reviewed status for their nonsense...

The magazine accepted also published a nonsensical computer generated paper submitted by a Physics graduate student from NY. This author was also invited to join the peer review board.

 

[gunfyter]

The judgment that matters here, of course, is Buffett's, and he is pleased and satisfied. "Dave is now making very good money, and not from selling planes," Buffett says. "It looks like NetJets will earn $200 million pretax this year. It's as remarkable a managerial achievement as I have ever seen. When aviation picks up, it could be a company that could earn $500 million a year."
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I hate to say I told you so ... 19 ....

Let the Recalls begin ....

 

[CRJFlyer]

Why recall when you can squeeze even more $$ out of the company and it's employees.

 

[Jack Campbell]

DS is on record saying companies shouldn't hire until the current employees are working at 125%. Is Netjets there now? Are Netjets pilots doing everything they can to hasten recalls, within the bounds of the CBA? How many are taking overtime? And what about the large percentage on the 18 day schedule? If everyone were to depart their lucrative 18 day schedule, many of us could return to work instead of clamoring for the next unemployment check. I'm just throwing those questions out for discussion, but we all know there is more that could be done. YMMV.

 

[Grizz]

Jack,

Overtime up to 14 hours is not voluntary. The only way to get out of it is to inform the company that you are too fatigued to fly. Fatigue calls seem to be increasing based on the tempo we've been holding. I would expect that to increase further as we head toward busy season.

As to the 18 Day and folks not bidding it, I don't know how that's shaping up. Just for me - I know I'm not bidding it or taking any voluntary extended days while we have pilots on furlough.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Wish and hope more think like you Grizz......I don't advocate anyone take an unneccesary pay cut. (I was always on the 18 for $$ reasons).....But if someone doesn't work it for our sake then that is great.

Only time will tell how many guys push it too hard for the sake of the mother country. Personally I would be setting a very strict limit on the # of 14 hr duty days I'd be willing to do. Even when things were rosy I had a limit. Usually one 14 hr. day-if followed by min resty or very short rest-then the next day would be a guaranteed short day for me...If I had adequate rest I may do another long day, but then that was it until I felt I had an appropriate night to rest or to do whatever. (a little me time).

Extended days are a no brainer. I think PW can tell you our feelings on them. (no matter how he thinks he is justifying them). Any pilot who volunteers for an extended day is no friend or "family" member of mine and will be treated appropriately...... like the dirt bag they are.

 

[Jack Campbell]

Grizz - The extended days are what I was referring to with my OT comments. Its good that pilots are still calling in fatigued when they are too tired to be safe. That is a great resource that should never be abused, but used when truly needed.
Its great that you are not bidding for the 18 day schedule. Thank you! There seem to be a lot that agree with you on the voluntary extended days, but there are a lot of pilots on the 18 day schedule. I won't quote stats on this board, but its very easy to find out if you have access to the information.

 

[rajflyboy]

DS is doing great!

Just Outstanding!

 

[RP170]

What's the point of the company keeping you on duty after you say you are fatigued, raj? You obviously aren't going to be going anywhere.

I guess you edited your post.

 

[RP170]

As to the 18 Day and folks not bidding it, I don't know how that's shaping up. Just for me - I know I'm not bidding it or taking any voluntary extended days while we have pilots on furlough.

You're the man Grizz. Thank you.

 

[rajflyboy]

What's the point of the company keeping you on duty after you say you are fatigued, raj? You obviously aren't going to be going anywhere.

I guess you edited your post.

Thats new to me as of tonight. They kept us on duty for an additional 5 hours. We called our representation and they said it was legal.

In fact your 14 hours off starts as of the time you called cmh land. So if you called in fatigued at 5pm eastern and they keep you on duty until 10 pm they can actually still show you at 7am.

????? I don't get it but this is what I expect now a days.

 

[RP170]

They want to play that game, then I would fatigue the next morning when I woke up as well.

 

[rajflyboy]

They want to play that game, then I would fatigue the next morning when I woke up as well.

The problem is that most of us are paying around 2G a year for representation and nothing is being done to fix this stuff.

This equates to over 4 million dollars a year. Where is all this money going considering the lack of service we are receiving lately?

 

[gunfyter]

Where were you on duty? The hotel?

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Extended days are a no brainer. I think PW can tell you our feelings on them. (no matter how he thinks he is justifying them). Any pilot who volunteers for an extended day is no friend or "family" member of mine and will be treated appropriately...... like the dirt bag they are.

I think the character of Bill Lumburg in Office Space was based on PW. The producers said "So Who's the biggest D-Bag alive? Cue "Pad your wallet and help the company" PW!