Form 10-Q/A for PINNACLE AIRLINES CORP RE Colgan Air

[JoeMerchant]

Unfortunately, pilots as a whole will never be smart enough to surrender our autonomy. We pilots know more than anyone after all, right? How dare anyone come in and tell me whats right and how could I ever expected to stand by quietly while someone else mettles in my affairs.

For the same reason Joe can't keep his treasonous mouth shut, ALPA will never achieve its potential.

Treason?? Is that what questioning ALPA is now....Treason?

ALPA will never achieve it's potential because of the autonomy you speak of and because it is run by politicians like Rez and PCL128....

DoinTime....what is your vision of ALPA "achieving it's potential"? Tell us how it should work....

Treason.....that's good.....

 

[Turtlesfly]

Hey Joe,

could you summarize for me: if somebody asked you what your bottom line opinion of ALPA/unions are in the airline business, what is your whole beef about? And what about REZ/PCL? What is the one-liner that defines you 3 guys' opinions? I don't have time to read 14,000 posts to figure it out

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey Joe,

could you summarize for me: if somebody asked you what your bottom line opinion of ALPA/unions are in the airline business, what is your whole beef about? And what about REZ/PCL? What is the one-liner that defines you 3 guys' opinions? I don't have time to read 14,000 posts to figure it out

Either we are together as one....Or we are separate and doing what is best for each of us.....

That about sums it for me....

 

[DoinTime]

Treason?? Is that what questioning ALPA is now....Treason?

Joe, you do not question ALPA. With your every breath you spew anti-ALPA rhetoric, incite rebellion, and foster division. That is treason. Not only towards ALPA but towards our profession.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, you do not question ALPA. With your every breath you spew anti-ALPA rhetoric, incite rebellion, and foster division. That is treason. Not only towards ALPA but towards our profession.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

They taught us that at ALPA leadership training in Herndon also.....They taught us not to ever question ALPA in public...little role playing skit with Beebe and a few others.....The funny thing is that 2 of the role playing actors were USAir ALPA folks....worked real well for them....

I don't "incite rebellion" or "foster division"....ALPA does a fine job of that by dividing pilots as "regional" and "mainline".....I just question authority....It is healthy to question authority....

 

[DoinTime]

They taught us that at ALPA leadership training in Herndon also.....They taught us not to ever question ALPA in public...little role playing skit with Beebe and a few others.....The funny thing is that 2 of the role playing actors were USAir ALPA folks....worked real well for them....

I don't "incite rebellion" or "foster division"....ALPA does a fine job of that by dividing pilots as "regional" and "mainline".....I just question authority....It is healthy to question authority....

That leadership conference must have been right before your fellow pilots recalled you, right?

 

[JoeMerchant]

That leadership conference must have been right before your fellow pilots recalled you, right?

Nope...never recalled...

 

[PCL_128]

Your absolutely correct....Now can you convince Rez and PCL128?

He'll have to get educated about the RLA before he can convince me about anything. Just more crew room lawyer regurgitated nonsense. The average pilot doesn't know the difference between the RLA and the NRA. Sad.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The average pilot doesn't know the difference between the RLA and the NRA. Sad.

...on that I agree.....however the same average pilot has no idea what goes on with ALPA behind the scenes.....they would be amazed at what happens behind closed doors....

 

[PCL_128]

...on that I agree.....however the same average pilot has no idea what goes on with ALPA behind the scenes.....they would be amazed at what happens behind closed doors....

That's just politics. The truth is, even the average homeowner would also be amazed at what happens behind the scenes of their home owners' association. Get a group of people together in an organization, and politics happens. Politics is messy, no matter how big or how small the organization is. The key is to learn how to work within the system. You never figured that out, Joey.

 

[suupah]

so.....about Colgan

 

[Windsor]

7500 by ALPA bickering again

 

[sinkrate]

so.....about Colgan

The short version is you are either going to be merged into another carrier or shut down in bankruptcy. Colgan is burning through Pinnacles cash way to fast. Which means if Pinnacle can't acquire another profitable carrier to merge Colgan into (Mesaba? Commute Air?, Peidmont?), or sell Colgan, they will park your Saabs and and fold the Q's into Pinnacle. They may need to use the chapter 11 bankruptcy process to park all of the Saabs. There are no new contracts to bid on and there won't be any in the future - the industry is shrinking and trying to shed contracts, codeshares, and aircraft. The only other option is to put Colgan into chapter 7 and shut it down. Since Pinnacle corp totes the notes for the Q's they won't do that unless they have a buyer for the AC prior to the BK. In that case the pilots won't go with the AC.

It is called 'merge or die' and the entire industry is looking down that barrel. A student of airline history would tell you history is repeating itself - again.

 

[Lyconit]

The average pilot doesn't know the difference between the RLA and the NRA. Sad.

Yes...sad: National Labor Relations Act (NLRA)

 

[CoATP]

Yes...sad: National Labor Relations Act (NLRA)

yes sad ... since I think he means National Rifle Association