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fLYbUDDY said:
As with man kind being on evolutionary scale so is religion, if you were take yourself and transport back into time 10,000 years you would be deemed a god/saint/whatever. If you would take a man and transport him to the future 10,000 years he would be deemed mentally challenged and inferior, or mentally handicapped. Therefor, proving that religion is socially biased and evolutionary. The more you know the less you fear of A God.
P.S. I apologize not for offending you but for your inability to understand; so truly I'm sorry for you.
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First of all Christianity isn't a religion. It has and will always be. An infinite, just like God. Therefore no evolution has occurred. God has always existed, He claims his word has always existed, and it will always exist. Second macroevolution has not a shred of logical credible evidence to support it. Thus there couldn't be a mutation if it is highly unlikely that macroevolution occurred. That's number two. Number three is that you are assuming God and human exist on the same time scale (or assume that that is what is being implied by me and Christianity). This is not true we as humans exist on a time scale and thus microevolution (socially and physically) occurs (doesn't prove macroevolution) and by us looking at God who exists outside of the dimension of time (as is clamed by the God of the Bible) and assuming he also exists on that time scale would be inaccurate. So even though cultural evolution has occurred here it didn’t in the heavenly realm. Remember God's word claims to have always exist (prophesy were made 1000's of years before they came to pass and some have yet to be fulfilled.) So if you were to go back to the beginning as you suggested we would simply be at the beginning of the story (in the beginning) and if you were transported to the future you would be at the end (whoever desires let him take the water of life freely.) This is of course assuming that they weren't so ignorant in your “schooling" to teach you that the universe isn't eternal. So what did Christianity evolve from? Genesis 1:1 creation. That's what makes it different from all the other religions that did evolve from twists of Christianity and other invented religions. Your thesis has several flaws that can only be explained by an element of faith. This is the same element that is required to apply the logic to God being for real. So both you and I have the same element you have just chosen to place it in the hands of a man at some university who you have apparently exalted above God. This doesn't seem rational to me at all. We shall see someday I guess. Bottom line Christianity didn't evolve it has always been. If you were to move to different times you would just be in a different chapter of the book. I hope you can understand. I think the whole God creating the universe thing is much more rational if you really break it down, then anything else. The problem is that we instinctively want to do life our way which all the more PROVES the Bible. See if God doesn’t exist then for some it allows an “ignorance is bliss” attitude. Hope sincerely that you do understand for as it is written “today if you hear His voice do not harden your heart, for it may be the last chance you receive.”
Ohh and you still bypassed the question who created the baseline for the evolution?
It is follow through
My best friend knows this fella and the story goes: A while back he had to make an emergency landing in a parking lot with poles, cars, etc... The options looked very grim, so he started to pray for a safe outcome. The end result was an injury free no pole or car hitting landing. He then bought the ag plane and since then goes about everyday up into the wild blue to pay his respects.
Sounds like he is keeping a promise he made. In a pretty cool way to boot!
My best friend knows this fella and the story goes: A while back he had to make an emergency landing in a parking lot with poles, cars, etc... The options looked very grim, so he started to pray for a safe outcome. The end result was an injury free no pole or car hitting landing. He then bought the ag plane and since then goes about everyday up into the wild blue to pay his respects.
Sounds like he is keeping a promise he made. In a pretty cool way to boot!
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Oh and since we are adding takes and creating thesis’s here, here is mine:
Two scenarios and two different examples within.
Scenario One:"The Word of God IS true"
Person A believes in the Word and it turns out that that was the reality. They die and he or she now receives the opportunity to spend a never-ending bliss with the maker and creator of the universe.
Person B chose to reject the message and believes some other reason for our existence here on earth (pledging ignorance counts as some other reason.) They die, turns out they were wrong and now must endure an eternal separation from God (if that’s what you want then go ahead because it is up to you where you want to go not God!)
Scenario Two: "The Word of God ISN"T true"
Person A still believes the Word but it turns out that it was nothing more then words in a book. They die and rot in a grave.
Person B still believes that the Word is inaccurate. They die and rot in a grave next to person A (obviously sarcasm is implied about the location of burial.)
Conclusion: Under scenario one, two very different outcomes occur if that is the true scenario. If however, scenario B is the true outcome then guess what in the end it is the same thing (rotting in a grave.)
The funny thing is how much evidence exists out there to prove (scientifically, philosophically, rationally, theologically, instinctively, ect..) a scenario One type of outcome and still some choose to roll the dice. That is why ignorance doesn't count! Can it really be worth it?
--Time waits for no one, call me a mocking bird, and it's done!--
*Further Seems Forever*
"How to Start A Fire"
Two scenarios and two different examples within.
Scenario One:"The Word of God IS true"
Person A believes in the Word and it turns out that that was the reality. They die and he or she now receives the opportunity to spend a never-ending bliss with the maker and creator of the universe.
Person B chose to reject the message and believes some other reason for our existence here on earth (pledging ignorance counts as some other reason.) They die, turns out they were wrong and now must endure an eternal separation from God (if that’s what you want then go ahead because it is up to you where you want to go not God!)
Scenario Two: "The Word of God ISN"T true"
Person A still believes the Word but it turns out that it was nothing more then words in a book. They die and rot in a grave.
Person B still believes that the Word is inaccurate. They die and rot in a grave next to person A (obviously sarcasm is implied about the location of burial.)
Conclusion: Under scenario one, two very different outcomes occur if that is the true scenario. If however, scenario B is the true outcome then guess what in the end it is the same thing (rotting in a grave.)
The funny thing is how much evidence exists out there to prove (scientifically, philosophically, rationally, theologically, instinctively, ect..) a scenario One type of outcome and still some choose to roll the dice. That is why ignorance doesn't count! Can it really be worth it?
--Time waits for no one, call me a mocking bird, and it's done!--
*Further Seems Forever*
"How to Start A Fire"
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fLYbUDDY said:
Logic? is there any? NO....
give me a semi logical response then I will consider it. Not this he said she said crap, or better yet because three guys were stoned writing about grasshoppers with human heads and we will call it the bible junk...
I'm sorry just because one book says this is the way it is; Dose not mean I have to take that way. I will be objective and study all the evidence presented before me, before coming to a conclusion. I tend to be a little bit more strong willed/minded and objective than sheep following another off a cliff, even if my luck has turned to the worst. Unlike Christianity, when the only time people care/pray is when bad things happen to them.
One other thing...
Please don't TRY to use science and logic when talking about something as important as this. You only take more creditability away from yourself.
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I love how people think they have a constitutional right to not be preached to. There are hundreds of thousands of opinions posted on this board, but as soon as a religious one gets posted, everyone gets all upset. Don't like it? Don't read it; and if it caught you off guard because it didn't really fit the thread, then don't come back. I just laugh at all who perpetuate the preaching by arguing with those they'd like to silence.
Before you even think about it, I'm agnostic. However, I can see that morality in the country is going to hell in a handbasket. Our ever-increasing secularism should not go unnoticed in this trend.
Before you even think about it, I'm agnostic. However, I can see that morality in the country is going to hell in a handbasket. Our ever-increasing secularism should not go unnoticed in this trend.
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It's not just here, it's all over the world. It's always been this way and it is escalating just the way it was foretold.
The fact that there is so much energy spent in an attempt to snuff out Jesus and Christianity is proof to me that it's completely real.
He said it was going to be this way and there is no way to stop it.
I just wish we wouldn't fight about it.
something's missing here...
Where's Timebuilder in this thread? He knows this religious crap better than anyone! He can go for days on this stuff....
Oh, and I think that somewhere down the line, my grand dad was a d@mn dirty ape!
I pretty much intensely dislike religion and people who blather on preaching HIS word. So HIS word is more important than me being able to think for myself? Spare me, please.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
Where's Timebuilder in this thread? He knows this religious crap better than anyone! He can go for days on this stuff....
Oh, and I think that somewhere down the line, my grand dad was a d@mn dirty ape!
I pretty much intensely dislike religion and people who blather on preaching HIS word. So HIS word is more important than me being able to think for myself? Spare me, please.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
I'll be the first (or maybe not the first) to admit that a religious thread doesn't need to be at flightinfo.com, but neither does a lot of this stuff (your favorite beer?, best football team?, Ginger or Mary Ann?). What if someone starts a thread titled, "what's your favorite religion?" How does that differ from any of the other non-aviation threads?
Given the fact that some threads do turn to religion, how are the pro-God posters any worse than those who espouse secularism within those threads? Each is just stating a personal opinion.
Given the fact that some threads do turn to religion, how are the pro-God posters any worse than those who espouse secularism within those threads? Each is just stating a personal opinion.
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why doesn't need to be here?
it's a general discussion board, not specific to any operational aspects (well, I guess for some pilots, having god as their flight engineer may be part of the operational procedures) so we should keep beating this horse some more
why? it usually brings pretty good, homegrown kind of arguments that are both pro and con, and are pretty fun to read
it's a general discussion board, not specific to any operational aspects (well, I guess for some pilots, having god as their flight engineer may be part of the operational procedures) so we should keep beating this horse some more
why? it usually brings pretty good, homegrown kind of arguments that are both pro and con, and are pretty fun to read
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Since I was invited...
None of these posts are new. In fact, not only have we been through these comments here, but the same comments have been tossed about for 2000 years. Why? There is a battle that has been running for a long time, that came to a head when God took human form as Jesus. But time is running out.
Normally, in any common statement, there are elements of truth and untruth, because those common statements are made 100% by humans. When God speaks, He is 100% without error. He saw fit to speak to us through the scriptural writing of the Bible, and in 2nd Timonthy 3:16, he capsulized our questioning about whether the Bible is the word of man, or the word of God. Briefly, "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God..." The word inspiration means "God breathed", or, right from the horse's mouth, if you prefer.
The skywriter is following a Bible directive to all believers: Mathew chapter 28: "Go (ye) into all the world and preach the Gospel". That puts someone in your face once in a while, without a doubt, because the message is so important.
Some people will be offended, just as the Pharisees were offended at the word of God. For most people, this is expected. The worldy man looks for proof, and he will find NONE. This is designed specifically to require FAITH instead, something that is very difficult for us as self-trusting intellects to achieve.
And one more thing: His word is not more important than your being able to "think for yourself". It's important that you be able to think for yourself so that you can make the right decision. Everyone makes a decision, either purposefully, or by refusing to decide. Making the wrong decision has consequences. I hope you don't run out of time before you make the right choice.
The way that individuals respond when they hear any talk of God is described using an interesting story call The Parable of the Sower, where what happens to seed is described depending on where it falls. You may see yourself as one of the places where the seed has just fallen.
Have I addressed all of the questions?
None of these posts are new. In fact, not only have we been through these comments here, but the same comments have been tossed about for 2000 years. Why? There is a battle that has been running for a long time, that came to a head when God took human form as Jesus. But time is running out.
Normally, in any common statement, there are elements of truth and untruth, because those common statements are made 100% by humans. When God speaks, He is 100% without error. He saw fit to speak to us through the scriptural writing of the Bible, and in 2nd Timonthy 3:16, he capsulized our questioning about whether the Bible is the word of man, or the word of God. Briefly, "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God..." The word inspiration means "God breathed", or, right from the horse's mouth, if you prefer.
The skywriter is following a Bible directive to all believers: Mathew chapter 28: "Go (ye) into all the world and preach the Gospel". That puts someone in your face once in a while, without a doubt, because the message is so important.
Some people will be offended, just as the Pharisees were offended at the word of God. For most people, this is expected. The worldy man looks for proof, and he will find NONE. This is designed specifically to require FAITH instead, something that is very difficult for us as self-trusting intellects to achieve.
And one more thing: His word is not more important than your being able to "think for yourself". It's important that you be able to think for yourself so that you can make the right decision. Everyone makes a decision, either purposefully, or by refusing to decide. Making the wrong decision has consequences. I hope you don't run out of time before you make the right choice.
The way that individuals respond when they hear any talk of God is described using an interesting story call The Parable of the Sower, where what happens to seed is described depending on where it falls. You may see yourself as one of the places where the seed has just fallen.
Have I addressed all of the questions?
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so, TB, we should just blindly accept god's invite and follow him down the path, shunning instincts and inquiry?
sounds like a herd of domesticated goats to me...
oh, and how do you know bible was/is the word of god? and not just a collection of old pagan fables, put forth by a street magician, looking for a quick buck?
sounds like a herd of domesticated goats to me...
oh, and how do you know bible was/is the word of god? and not just a collection of old pagan fables, put forth by a street magician, looking for a quick buck?
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You're going to have to answer that question for yourself. Ultimately, that decision MUST be made by YOU.
How do you know? That's an example of looking for proof. There isn't any. The closest thing that approaches proof, without providing any, is the the quote I provided above from Second Timothy.
There is a lot of noise out there, as evil attempts to cause such a ruckus that truth becomes burried in an indistiguishable hum of voices, all claiming to be correct. You must choose wisely.
How do you know? That's an example of looking for proof. There isn't any. The closest thing that approaches proof, without providing any, is the the quote I provided above from Second Timothy.
There is a lot of noise out there, as evil attempts to cause such a ruckus that truth becomes burried in an indistiguishable hum of voices, all claiming to be correct. You must choose wisely.
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Timebuilder said:
therein lies a problem
it's pretty nice to have a set of rules to live by, following which assures one a nice retirement plan alongside JC, but...
being empirical, it is awfuly hard to just blindly accept this experiment, because if it fails, I would have missed a life, and I just can't take that chance
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