For Those Without Slats

[sky37d]

My .02
A high deck angle will be alarming, and the carts may be in the aisle, but I think that would be preferable to spoiler rumble. When the plane starts down, people are anticipating that, because they know the landing will be soon. If you are cruising along flat and sassy, and all of a sudden there is a lot of rumble, I think that would be more disconcerting.

Us bug smashers usually don't have to worry about that stuff, but one night, about a year ago, we were coming into TEB at night, and for some reason NY ATC kept us at 7K until we were within 10NM of the airport, then told us to descend to 2K. The 50KT tail wind was helping us along. I pulled power back, and dropped the nose. It was truly amazing how high our ground speed was. Then, ATC got upset with us, because we were overtaking a CJ. Had to turn south to maintain separation.

 

[WrightAvia]

If that CRJ had an airstair door in the back, we wouldn't care how steep you brought it down. Just so you don't take all day to get the next load of jumpers up.

I know a guy that owns a king air 90 with big engines on it. Mike Mullens. He can take a plane full of jumpers up to 15,000 agl, drop em off and be loading the next group before you can land your canopy. Believe it or not, he always seems to have some people buying observer slots, just to take the ride down in the plane. To each his own, I guess.

With a jet full of scairdy cats in the back, you better use discretion with the "unusual attitudes".

 

[Vector4fun]

If your really that concerned about customer comfort you should tell the controler that you are unable and that you will need vectors for the descent.

Hey DoinTime,

I have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever.

The more times you accomodate the controller for their screw up the more likely they are to do it again to you in the future.

Now, I got a little problem. The vast majority of the time I'm doin a "slam dunk", it's not because of any screw-up, but because I got a hole on final to fit you in. I'm trying to make you #2 for the airport instead of number last. You want to be last, I'm happy to accomodate. Just because there's a gap in the final spacing just outside the LOM doesn't mean there's another one six miles further out. The next gap might be at 30 miles.


Here's where I also got a problem. Without fail, if a pilot arrives at the LOM a grand above GS and 40 kts too fast because of his OWN piss poor decent planning, and I ask if he needs to manuever to get down, the reply is always "Naw, we got it, no problem". But if a controller puts him at the LOM a grand high and fast, half the time he phones the Supe to complain. Anybody doing this job for a number of years knows what a DC-9 or a 737 is capable of doing, when there's a will.

AND, for what it's worth, the last NWA DC-9 I dunked, it was at the pilot's request. I replyed by asking if he could show me his best impression of a 727. We had a chuckle, and he did a da*n fine job of it too!

 

[cessna_driver2]

When I'm worried about negative deck angle I just roll inverted and make it positive.

On another note. The first time I fly with another pilot I tell him I'm working on a new landing technique where I put the nose gear on first and then work the mains down. It gets them every time.

Ah so your the one who bounced the plane hard a few years ago huh. Try the correcting for the cross wnd next time.

 

[chperplt]

I say if it aint a slam dunk, it aint fun!!!

My passengers hate the Beech 1900 anyway, so who cares, right??

Unless the cockpit doors are open, no one seems to know or care how steep an angle we came down at. I like to give an the passengers an "E" ride..

 

[Typhoon1244]

With respect to "giving the passengers a ride," I'm assuming you guys are putting me on, right? When someone's taking a trip somewhere, I'd like their ride on my airplane to be the least memorable part of the experience! I'd much rather have a passenger not notice the flight at all than have them telling their grandchildren years later, "we were screaming out of the sky like a flaming meteor!"

 

[chperplt]

Typhoon1244

I do my absolute best to make every flight enjoyable and fun. Even when we get the slam dunk, I try to do it with finesse.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Hey Typhoon,

TOO LOW, FLAPS!!!


Uhh ya think they heard that???

 

[Typhoon1244]

TOO LOW, FLAPS!!!

Uhh ya think they heard that?

Well, with any luck at all, they didn't feel it!

(Hey, if I was perfect, I wouldn't be flying here!)


I thought you'd abandoned this revival meeting for good, Metro...good t'see ya.

 

[kabz]

Think I noticed a pilot initiating a descent from a turn ... smooth and lazy-8 style, rather than the nasty stomach dropping you normally get ....

This guy/gal probably knew their stuff cos they had some fun shooting the visual down the river into DCA.

(Yeah we can TELL when you are having fun up there ... !!!)
(Was a Continental 73)