For the furloughed Flexjet guys/gals....

[CL300Pilot]

Check BB for your answer.

We chartered 23% of our flight hours for our peak day. Recalls. Puh-leaze.

 

[can99]

"I still think it's a great gig!" - I agree with you there, and it sure beats livin the dream in the 3rd world!

So what was the reason on the BB ?

 

[DirtyBeech]

Check BB for your answer.

I think the first two responders misinterpreted my post. The intent was that if we were willing to to charter that much to cover our demand on peak days then we are nowhere near recalls. I've read the BB.

 

[CL300Pilot]

I also think, and I don't remember for sure, that we pre-pay our charter during the holidays. This way we know that we will not let our owners down.

 

[Flex-ible]

I think the first two responders misinterpreted my post. The intent was that if we were willing to to charter that much to cover our demand on peak days then we are nowhere near recalls. I've read the BB.

Got it now. I guess Fred's attitude is "lean and mean". Sucks for all of us.

 

[Hung Start]

This way we know that we will not let our owners down.

Nope, don't buy into that. Not when the charter sell off approaches 25 percent of your daily total.

Good, prudent planning would prepared for what Flexjet SOLD the owners.

We will provide you with YOUR trained crews, flying YOUR owned aircraft, maintained by YOUR maintenance staff. And YOUR owners service department would have complete control from start to finish.

We all know charters are a necessity now and then. But they should not be part of the normal course of business. The owners are not stupid. If it is cheaper for Flex to charter aircraft instead of having Flex managed aircraft, then why not do it yourself and save the middle mans cost????

I think the current management philosophy has let down the owners in many ways.

The truly sad thing is that in the future, after all the damage is done, Fred will be gone for personal reasons, and all the same very hard working, conscientious employees will be around trying to salvage what is left of a proud reputation.

Hung

 

[japhy]

The truly sad thing is that in the future, after all the damage is done, Fred will be gone for personal reasons, and all the same very hard working, conscientious employees will be around trying to salvage what is left of a proud reputation.

Hung

So true. Give him another few years. That is his MO.

 

[Dooker]

Nope, don't buy into that. Not when the charter sell off approaches 25 percent of your daily total.

Good, prudent planning would prepared for what Flexjet SOLD the owners.

We will provide you with YOUR trained crews, flying YOUR owned aircraft, maintained by YOUR maintenance staff. And YOUR owners service department would have complete control from start to finish.

We all know charters are a necessity now and then. But they should not be part of the normal course of business. The owners are not stupid. If it is cheaper for Flex to charter aircraft instead of having Flex managed aircraft, then why not do it yourself and save the middle mans cost????

I think the current management philosophy has let down the owners in many ways.

The truly sad thing is that in the future, after all the damage is done, Fred will be gone for personal reasons, and all the same very hard working, conscientious employees will be around trying to salvage what is left of a proud reputation.

Hung

I agree with everything you say--except for the part at the end about a "proud reputation."

If we had any pride, we'd have something in writing by now.

 

[ArtVandalay]

We won't layoff again. I predict a few recalls next year. 2011 will be interesting cause of the aircraft deliveries too.

 

[Ref]

We won't layoff again. I predict a few recalls next year. 2011 will be interesting cause of the aircraft deliveries too.

I hope you are right.

 

[unclepetey]

What are they saying about future deliveries? Seems like the fleet currently is down to about 80 or so.

 

[Nolife]

We won't layoff again. I predict a few recalls next year

What makes you think recalls next year? With out significant retirements or growth I don't see how they'll recall. I predict nothing until the end of the year (2010) then maybe recalls in 2011 and I wouldn't be surprised if the recallee's got offered much lower pay than current new 1st pay; might not be the same job we left.

 

[jetmaster727]

I agree with everything you say--except for the part at the end about a "proud reputation."

If we had any pride, we'd have something in writing by now.

yeah and ur so full of sh*t u posted that crap in the fall about a bunch of training center slots. what was that- just to get everyone worried?

 

[clydefastly]

yeah and ur so full of sh*t u posted that crap in the fall about a bunch of training center slots. what was that- just to get everyone worried?

I thought it was flex wife that posted about the slots. Could be wrong.

 

[Necromonger]

hhmmm

Man, I haven’t posted in a while. I hope I remember how…

You can read my previous posts and you’ll know that I renew my card, yearly.

Now, Hungstart, I do not disagree with what you are sayin'. I just want to get some numbers clear.

Ok…… I want to address this charter selloff on peak days. We ALL know the 24+% number they told us about. And, yes, that does suck when we have friends on the street that need jobs. But, we must realize that this is no different than the way Flex has done things for years. (even pre-FG)

When our owners buy in, this is clearly in their contract as a PEAK day common practice. Our owners know when these PEAK days are, and know that there is a better than normal chance of getting a non-flex aircraft, if they choose to travel on these days. Keep in mind that we do have some owners, who have in their contract to fly on only Flex airplanes. It’s just a matter of how well they negotiated their share.

With that being said, 24% or 25% charter for 2 or 3 days a year is only bad, if on Those days we crewed less than 95% of the aircraft we have on property. That is the number you are leaving out. If we are chartering owners, and we have half our is fleet parked, then I’d really be pi$$ed. :smash:
As stated in someone’s earlier post, many of these charter hours are bought months in advance. So, we saw some Flexjet aircraft on Standby, backing up an owner on a charter. How does that look to our owners?

Flex has been doing this for years. It just stings a bit more when we have guys on the street.

Flame Away!!!!

 

[Hung Start]

Man, I haven’t posted in a while. I hope I remember how…

You can read my previous posts and you’ll know that I renew my card, yearly.

Now, Hungstart, I do not disagree with what you are sayin'. I just want to get some numbers clear.

Ok…… I want to address this charter selloff on peak days. We ALL know the 24+% number they told us about. And, yes, that does suck when we have friends on the street that need jobs. But, we must realize that this is no different than the way Flex has done things for years. (even pre-FG)

When our owners buy in, this is clearly in their contract as a PEAK day common practice. Our owners know when these PEAK days are, and know that there is a better than normal chance of getting a non-flex aircraft, if they choose to travel on these days. Keep in mind that we do have some owners, who have in their contract to fly on only Flex airplanes. It’s just a matter of how well they negotiated their share.

With that being said, 24% or 25% charter for 2 or 3 days a year is only bad, if on Those days we crewed less than 95% of the aircraft we have on property. That is the number you are leaving out. If we are chartering owners, and we have half our is fleet parked, then I’d really be pi$$ed. :smash:
As stated in someone’s earlier post, many of these charter hours are bought months in advance. So, we saw some Flexjet aircraft on Standby, backing up an owner on a charter. How does that look to our owners?

Flex has been doing this for years. It just stings a bit more when we have guys on the street.

Flame Away!!!!

Necro:
First, I am not going to flame anybody. What I had to say was just my opinion, much as you have yours.

My question to you is,,where do see that it ok to charter with 95% fleet usage? How did that number become the ok threshold?
There have been days when we had more than 10 parked, and had charters going out. And no, these were not recovery charters, but scheduled, first thing in the morning. So, the mystical "95%" is not something etched in stone. Planned inefficiency if you ask me. And as far as prepaying well in advanced,,, please!! In this time of oue economy,,, you could easily negotiate a very, very low deposit to hold the date, and not use it unless positively necessary. Nope, in my mind we are just not prepaired.

My concern is that the owners will realize that Flex does not charter aircraft at a loss. And if they did, they are a mismananged company. So,, if Flex can do it, so can they. Don't kid yourself for a moment that the crews on the charters are not talking up their service. And you know the owners are curious enough to ask the crews, heck, it happens to me all the time! Does management not care that they have just arranged a demo flight to a competitor???

Necro,,we are here to provide superior service to our owners. I feel that includes being properly staffed at all times.

Anyway, I have said my piece on the subject. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Hung

 

[flex*wife]

I thought it was flex wife that posted about the slots. Could be wrong.

Nope. Not me - I get to know a lot of various info from various sources but that was never information I was privy to or could even come close to verifying. I may have commented on someone elses post but it was never something I brought to the table.

 

[jetmaster727]

Nope. Not me - I get to know a lot of various info from various sources but that was never information I was privy to or could even come close to verifying. I may have commented on someone elses post but it was never something I brought to the table.

It was dooker and he is totally full of sh*t

 

[clydefastly]

Nope. Not me - I get to know a lot of various info from various sources but that was never information I was privy to or could even come close to verifying. I may have commented on someone elses post but it was never something I brought to the table.

My bad, I remember you came out with some info a while back, maybe it had to do with Globals or something. Neither here nor there.

I hope all of the flexers get some good news soon!!!!

 

[Hung Start]

I guess I was not finished on the subject.

Mr. Necro,,,you feeling "pissed" today???

My math seems to put the "uncrewed" column way over 5%, with charters going.

Just askin'.

Hung