For Flexjet and Options pilots who don't visit the 1108 Virtual Union Hall

[exagony]

BECOME INFORMED!!

www.oneskywatch.com

 

[Honorstudent]

There is a new video interview up on the oneskywatch.com board, It is an interview of Tom Bowden one of the original RTA pilot organizers who was fired by KR after the RTA/Options merger in 2002. Flex Pilots pay close attention and see if you can identify all the similarities with the Options/Flex merger playing out today!! Don't make the same mistake the RTA pilots made by giving KR a year, he can not be trusted and has done nothing to earn that trust.

VOTE YES TO PROTECT THE FUTURE OF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!

 

[Praetorian]

the video

Here is a link to the Bowden video:

https://youtu.be/_dm9k0XHM6A

 

[warlord19]

to: realityman, 993, Ludicrus, et al.
There have been too many posts (election time must be drawing near) to answer them all, so here’s a few general answers to various posts.

Realityman asked what the last 2 years have been like flying for Mr. R….well, none of the 4 things I listed in a previous post i.e. flying broken airplanes, doing illegal trips, etc has occurred, NOT ONCE. NO ROLLING REST blah blah.
I’ve had the OPPORTUNITY to fly new, large body aircraft and even get on the international A/C. We get a free meal a day, a BETTER STIP, free LOL insurance , 57? places to domicile (vs 6 2 years ago), free KCM membership blah blah. How’s your last 2 years been?

From reading the NJ strings here, not so good. I remember (it hasn’t been that long) when NJ was “the “ fractional provider. Now it appears from the posts (under Fractional) that NJ is just another dysfunctional company struggling from day to day. I realize much of the rhetoric is theatre for the negotiations, but I do see the attitudes from many at various FBO’s.

“unions aren’t perfect” someone says. That’s damn profound. Companies and managers aren’t either.

flexible writes that he privately msg’d me about the union, and sure enough he did….the problem was is that his message is incomprehensible. One requirement for having an ATP is having some skills with the English language, but he displayed none…perhaps alcohol was involved??? I don’t know.

Seems everyone at Flex is getting robo-calls telling us if we are a “NO" vote to not bother voting as it won’t matter. ANOTHER LIE. Also, FO pilots are being told if they vote “NO” there will be repercussions….Another reason I just love the IBT.

On principal, would you knowingly send a portion of your dues to a nest of thieves???
That’s what we will be doing if we vote the 1108 in. NJ voted them out. Let’s save a lot of money and heartache and end their reign now. No respectful organization will go near them.

VOTE NO on the IBT.

WL

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

WL
Did "your" cut/paste come straight from the union busting lawyers?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Here is a link to the Bowden video:

https://youtu.be/_dm9k0XHM6A

WOW. I guess that guy can let the truth out now that they can't fire him.

 

[Honorstudent]

Hey WL19 shouldn't you be in the Bar at the Holiday Inn in TEB getting your drink on, or at least buying your Pilot's votes with $2.00 Beers. You must truly be miserable.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

AG and OZ are sick of him. He acts like a big spender, but they know he isn't spending his own money. They respect hard working people and will treat you fairly. Leaving a small tip from your own pocket says a lot more to them than a tip from KR's anti- union slush fund .

 

[doh]

Flexible isn't South Park Timmy. He is the only true illiterate at Flexjet.

 

[flexible]

Flexible isn't South Park Timmy. He is the only true illiterate at Flexjet.

Thank you no I am not. As I've explainer before I tend to only check the Web stuff on the road and my only recourse is a tiny phone and fat fingers. For what it's worth I am pissed still about red label pay svales . They were inadequate if they will represent the top 20 percent of the payscale. I looked up ricci book after someone else mention irresponsible too and he really does say it. I think you should at least glance through book he is not more then salesman. Now with promise being Jan 1 no Dec 16 I think I see writing in the sand. I might have to vote yes as much as I don't want to it might be only guarantee.

 

[Fltcrw]

Wow that warlord dude is sure trying hard. It's like he's afraid of something.
What a tool.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Thank you no I am not. As I've explainer before I tend to only check the Web stuff on the road and my only recourse is a tiny phone and fat fingers. For what it's worth I am pissed still about red label pay svales . They were inadequate if they will represent the top 20 percent of the payscale. I looked up ricci book after someone else mention irresponsible too and he really does say it. I think you should at least glance through book he is not more then salesman. Now with promise being Jan 1 no Dec 16 I think I see writing in the sand. I might have to vote yes as much as I don't want to it might be only guarantee.

Yes flexible ,he is a very good salesman. He is very convincing and he pulled one over on the RTA/FO pilots years ago. It took us years to partially recover. The sad thing is, he is trying it again and there are still a few Flex pilots that don't see what he really has planed for us.

 

[flexible]

Yes flexible ,he is a very good salesman. He is very convincing and he pulled one over on the RTA/FO pilots years ago. It took us years to partially recover. The sad thing is, he is trying it again and there are still a few Flex pilots that don't see what he really has planed for us.

Well I'm still not sure but I went ahead voted yes so I hope you are right.

What finally convinced me was the lack of anseers management is giving. They are doing lots of talking and sniping but it it's mostly snipes and one liners. They refuse to answer serious questions regarding a severely below par red label scale when you consider one bad day can ruin you're entire bonus. Furthered if red label represents the top 20% of the pat sCale I am pissed.

I do not think the poc guys have all answers and are a bit delusional regarding what a union will do but in the fight for who's more trustworthy I decided I will take the word of 10 guys I've flown with and know over screen names and a managemeet team I don't know. As far as rh is concerned I guess he figures into that. To watch his behavior in past month alone was a deciding factor tor for sure.

I really hopr your right on this. It was most nerve wracking 3 seconds of my life to push enter. And yes before you have criticism I m on my tiny phone so screw you.

 

[shanes123]

RH has been the biggest promoter of the Union then any Hardcore Union thumper could ever think of being.

 

[doh]

Flexible! Wooooohoooooo!!!! You made the right decision!

 

[flexible]

Flexible! Wooooohoooooo!!!! You made the right decision!

I hope so but I do not understand why more people aren't upset about the rl payscales. For one, even with bonus included it is hardly outstanding. Good yes but not oytstanding. Bonus? What the saying fool me once? Last if ricci book says top 20% are overpaid which represents red label and 80% underspaid then why would everyone think this benefits them?

I might not be a Grammer wiz but I know math. There are few rl spots left. I see the so called slide to proverty spoken about by the vuh happening eventually without a union based in this one indicator and management's refusal to answer my direct questions instead asking where my gratitude is. We need a union to stop the bs scheme they're cooking up. It took me a while but I see it now thanks to those payscales.

 

[flexible]

RH has been the biggest promoter of the Union then any Hardcore Union thumper could ever think of being.

Yes he has always had thin skin but lately it has berm embarrassingto watch him attack his own employees. Now he is taking gleeful credit for firing those guys when up to now he skated the issue. Its a trainwreck.

 

[dime line]

Slide to Poverty.......Up grade to new plane and go to year one pay for that plane

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

KR always believed in a B scale. The 20% he is claiming to over pay is really only industry standard for that equipment. The rest of us are underpaid.

 

[exagony]

Yes he has always had thin skin but lately it has berm embarrassingto watch him attack his own employees. Now he is taking gleeful credit for firing those guys when up to now he skated the issue. Its a trainwreck.

Do tell for those of us without yammer access.