For all you "buy American" Boeing anti Airbus people

[G4G5]

To say that one company gets tax subsidies alone is not quite true, although some call it an incentive or something else, both companies get help from Joe taxpayer.

http://www.tdn.com/articles/2003/06/11/area_news/news06.txt
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2003/05/19/daily28.html
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0407/040218_news_taxcracks.php

And from what I have seen of Boeings defense contracts lately, those are arguably subsidies themselves.

http://www.govexec.com/features/1104-01/1104-01newsanalysis1.htm
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2005-03-MOAO_Report_Final.pdf

I think Ms. Druyun is even doing time for her part in this 'scandal'. Way to help the guys in uniform fighting a war.

There are plenty more links on subsidies to both companies, do a simple google search. If this was such a slam dunk one way or the other, why would both companies being dancing the PR dance all these years, instead of telling it to the judge- they both have something to lose.

The problem with the defence contract argument is that their are more players involved. The US Government can't simply award a contract to Boeing. Northrop/Grumann, Loral, United Technologies, Lockeed Martin are all involved and have the right to bid on any military contract that Boeing does.

Let's try to keep in mind what Airbus was originaly intended to do. Give Europeans jobs. Let's be honest here, have you ever looked at European work rules (35 hour weeks in France, how much vacation in Germany)? Do you actually believe that it is more cost effective (cheaper) to build an aircraft in Germany, France, Spain and the UK then it is in the US? Well than how do they manage to undercut Boeing?

The US government feels pretty strong about this. Strong enough to bring up the case to the WTO.

 

[Nado]

My points are

Boeing gets tax breaks, just like Airbus does. That just needs to be acknowledged. Is the question who get more is worse? The way the argument is being framed is Airbus does all bad, Boeing is all good is just not right. I was trying to illustrate the 'other' side of the story, that I thought is not even being acknowledged.

I am not tring to parse everything down here to right/wrong, good/bad - I am no expert but this is a complex issue and both sides have lots to lose in the world court. That is why both are positioning themselves in the papers and not pressing for their date, and both, I think, would like to find a resolution out of court.

As an aside, I just can't get the disdain for Airbus products from a pilots perspective. Does this transfer over to cars, tvs and toasters as well? Both have a nice product from what I have seen. They are both good aircraft with their good and bad points.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

If you buy Chinese products at Walmart, drive Korean cars, and fly Airbus planes don't be surprised when Congress thinks cabotage rules are silly and outdated.

That's why I want to buy American. I want the public to fly American too.

 

[Dizel8]

Yes, buy GM cars, General Mexico that is!

 

[xrated]

What part of this don't you get. It may cost Nike $.99 cents to make a pair of sneakers in China, they charge $100.00. That's $99 of corporate profit directly sent to a US corporation.

Yup, the deep pockets of executives! With that level of profit, Nike can hire more Chinese to make more shoes!

Taxes are paid, to the US government.

To pay for the health care and education of illegal immigrants.

Jobs are created in countless US shoe stores.

Shoe store jobs typically pay slightly better than minimum wage, unlike factory jobs.

I don't care if Boeing decides to make 50-75% of their 787 abroad the profits stay in US, (executive pockets) controlled by a US company (that recently tried to screw the very government it pays taxes too, and the U.S. tax payers in the whole tanker deal) and taxes are paid to the US government and yes, you may find this hard to believe but Boeing still creates jobs in the US. (Thats true, they love their employees, ask the machinist).

What percentage of an A350 will be made in the US?

You have this figured out, you tell us?

 

[Doug Parker]

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They don't like Airbus, cuz they haven't flown it yet.................


Boeings SUCK !!



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[B6Driver]

G4G5,
As busy as you say you are, Why are you posting on this site so often?
I think you have some serious anger issues IMHO.
"Why did Airbus have to drop their pants"
Questions like this don't put food on the table for your kids.
Thanks for all the laughs though.

 

[xanderman]

wow!

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They don't like Airbus, cuz they haven't flown it yet.................


Boeings SUCK !!



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