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Say Again Over said:
I'm a line check airman and would be shot if I was training in those conditions. My advice is never do something you can't defend in a court of law, just my opinion.
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right on...thats why I would be in the left seat with the steering on that leg with a brand new guy...

It always surprises me when someone BRAND NEW to an aircraft gets offended by having to show a few hours in the right seat...says a lot about a guy IMHO. (like that he's an unpredictable a$$hat who does not know his limits)



:)
 
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AA717driver said:
And if he doesn't, you slap the $h!t outta him! ;) TC
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I always find the "slap the $hit outta him" is always more effective day one on the hangar floor, before any flying whatsoever takes place. Part of the preflight /trip briefing

Its the true definition of effective CRM -- FEAR.

:D
 
We hired a Lear captain in Europe back in 2001 to fill a vacancy. He was hired stateside so we did not have any input into his hiring. I assigned him to fly with me on a flight from Italy to Spain and return. This was to be an in-theater orientation flight but with pax.

I took the first leg as I wanted him to get some experience navigating and "communicating" in that challenging environment. For those of you who fly outside the U.S. you know what I mean.

Now keep in mind he is brand new with the company and has never flown in Europe before. We get airborne and he tells me that he does not care if he takes the next leg, but he will not fly from the right seat, only the left seat.

No problem, with that cocky attitude he did not get to fly the second leg. He lasted about six months.
 
FWIW- Our SOP states that a new hire will complete "an initial course of training at an approved school". Doesnt specify if it will lead to a type or not. That is at the discretion of the CP. Once the new hire returns from FSI, its a minimum of 50 hrs in the right seat and can fly dead legs only. After that, and a performance review, the new hire can begin flying from the left seat and w/pax at the discretion of the trip captain.
As stated earlier it depends on a lot of variables: Does the guy have previous jet time, how well does he do his job as an FO, attitude, comfort level in the a/c, wx and runway conditions.
Guess there really is not silver bullet to cover all scenarios, just do what works for your and your dept. and keep it safe!!!
 
If your hiring a captain, why are you training him in the right seat, doesn't make too much sense to me. When I do training on a transitioning captain, he will be in the left seat. NWS is not a factor.
 
Say Again Over said:
If your hiring a captain, why are you training him in the right seat, doesn't make too much sense to me. When I do training on a transitioning captain, he will be in the left seat. NWS is not a factor.
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no?

will that "Captain" ever fly with newer left seat guys and need to be proficient in the right seat?

All Captains should be training Captains and be able to operate from either side. Guys who never do it become those scared old Captains who cant effectivly train young guys.

Leave the left seat ego at the door in corporate, thanks!

PS - I like your "current position".....
 
Unless you don't swap seats (rare in corporate apparently) BOTH crewmembers need to be proficient in BOTH seats. Anything less is a hazzard.TC
 
Actually in a couple of the planes I've flown I've raced to get to the right seat. I've even been in the left seat and convinced the guy he left the chalks in and swapped seats while he was checking. :) Damn that was funny.

See there usually is more room in the right seat width wise. No tiller, or trim wheel stuff like that.

If you do any contract flying you better be damn comfortable with the right seat and even more comfortable with not even touching the plane. It's their show and I just go with the flow. Coffee, catering, ice, papers Yes SIR!

But I have a big shoes so i'm comfortable with my manhood. :) As g200 can attest to while he was in prison. ;)
 
Diesel said:
But I have a big shoes so i'm comfortable with my manhood. :) As g200 can attest to while he was in prison. ;)
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Weeeellllll, so THAT'S how it is out east... I guess if someone asks G200 "Who's your Daddy?" He can confidently answer "Diesel!" :eek:
 
Mercury said:
FWIW- Our SOP states that a new hire will complete "an initial course of training at an approved school". Doesnt specify if it will lead to a type or not. That is at the discretion of the CP. Once the new hire returns from FSI, its a minimum of 50 hrs in the right seat and can fly dead legs only. After that, and a performance review, the new hire can begin flying from the left seat and w/pax at the discretion of the trip captain.
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If I may ask, and I commend your company for sending all new hires to sim training (that's the way it should be), what is the point of hiring a pilot who can't be trusted to fly the airplane with pax for the first for 50 hours?

When we look for a pilot, we're looking for someone who can fly every other leg from day one - and our CEO's such a bad flyer that she's been known to curl up in the fetal position on the divan on bumpy days.
 
Falcon Capt said:
Weeeellllll, so THAT'S how it is out east... I guess if someone asks G200 "Who's your Daddy?" He can confidently answer "Diesel!" :eek:
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no way Capt, thats no hood logic.

Diesel is, and always will be, my biatch.

He knows it, he's comfy with it.

:D
 
In the yard G200 learned a new meaning of getting capped in the azz.

Remember G200 find out if he is a she BEFORE you give him the money!
 
Diesel said:
In the yard G200 learned a new meaning of getting capped in the azz.

Remember G200 find out if he is a she BEFORE you give him the money!
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MONEY!

You KNOW Im all about the MONEY, Diesel..

come to think of it.....thats why Im not a fractional pilot!

now go nice - I haven't made you wear the gimp suit with the rubber ball in your mouth for a long time, but dont think I forget where it is...



:eek:
 
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Gulfstream 200 said:
no way Capt, thats no hood logic.

Diesel is, and always will be, my biatch.

He knows it, he's comfy with it.

:D
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Would that make him your 'strut wiper'...? ;) TC
 

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