Flying for US Marshal / JPATS

[JohnDoe]

Hi,
Anybody have any insight on flying for the US Marshal Service / JPATS (ie: what is the job like/entail)?

 

[Rick1128]

Having done some contract work for them, I found that the job does have some instresting good points. First Almost all of the flying is Monday through Friday with all federal holidays off. Mostly domestic on the front side of the clock. ATC works with you quite well. For the most part no problem passengers. No complains about the ride or cabin temp. Almost no baggage problems. Probabily the best airline job out there.

 

[wheelsup]

Hi,
Anybody have any insight on flying for the US Marshal Service / JPATS (ie: what is the job like/entail)?

I've seen those "justice" 737's in Phoenix, is that JPATS? I got an email from my job search robot thing on the usa jobs site about working for the department of justice - you need an ATP among other things. I tried to go back to the link but it's been removed.

[SIZE=-2] AIRPLANE PILOT [/SIZE] [SIZE=-2] GS-2181-13 [/SIZE] [SIZE=-2] $72,035-$93,643 [/SIZE] [SIZE=-2] Department Of Justice/US Marshals Service [/SIZE] [SIZE=-2] US-AZ-Phoenix, AZ [/SIZE] [SIZE=-2] 12/22/2005[/SIZE]

From my understanding, the application process is based on "points". You get more points for being a veteran, so I'm guessing those jobs normally go to those fella's (and rightly so).

~wheelsup

 

[Lear60Guy]

They just switched to ex british airways 737s from their older 727's. They also fly Hawker 800's, the main base is out of KOKC. You will not only transport federal prisoners, but also illegal immigrants, so some international flying... (JPATS=Joint Prisoner and Alien Transportation System) If you are really intersted PM me with what else you want to know, I have a family member that works there...

 

[psysicx]

They also have an MD.

 

[MissKittyKat]

I saw this and just had to chime in, while working charter 727's back in 1998 and a few more years, the US Marshalls rock, flying for them is great, even from the pilots point of view, they never give you a hard time, (that is the Marshalls) you fly anywhere and everywhere, you will never get a complaint from a paying passenger! I did alot of work out of Alexandria, Louisianna!

Some of the conair groups where illegal immigrants, the sad part, doing flights to Cuba or San Salvador, normally they execute these people, when they where only trying to get out of proverty to the extreme and make a better living for themselves and found their way to America!

I had a talk with one Marshall who was so distressed over the whole situation, seriously, the flying is ok though!

 

[HalinTexas]

How/where do you apply?

 

[Lear60Guy]

How/where do you apply?

It was on USAJOBS but it has since been removed.

 

[LAZYB]

It was on USAJOBS but it has since been removed.

Closed midnite Dec 22

 

[MyRadarIsOut]

"so I'm guessing those jobs normally go to those fella's (and rightly so)."

And why do you think they should rightly go to those fellas?

 

[LJDRVR]

"so I'm guessing those jobs normally go to those fella's (and rightly so)."

And why do you think they should rightly go to those fellas?

Because those fellas have served their country and have a history of working for the government. Do you honestly think when applying for a federal job that somebody who never served their fellow citizens should get the same hiring preference as those of us that did?

Get real.

 

[DrProc]

Because those fellas have served their country and have a history of working for the government. Do you honestly think when applying for a federal job that somebody who never served their fellow citizens should get the same hiring preference as those of us that did?

Get real.

Uh yeah. So that will make them more qualified as a pilot? Working for the government is a whole lot less demanding than working in the private sector. Monday-Friday work, all holidays off, pensions, etc. I think that any non veteran can easily adapt to that.

 

[LJDRVR]

Uh yeah. So that will make them more qualified as a pilot? Working for the government is a whole lot less demanding than working in the private sector. Monday-Friday work, all holidays off, pensions, etc. I think that any non veteran can easily adapt to that.

Where did I say more qualified Doc? I said preference for hiring, which is the law.

If you don't like it, write your Congressman.

By the way, your assumptions about banking hours are misguided. The JPATS folks work harder and fly more than anybody in the industry except air tanker pilots during fire season. (Public use aircraft operations are not subject to monthly part 91 flight time limits.)

No cake walk.

 

[wheelsup]

And why do you think they should rightly go to those fellas?

They gave up years of their life to serve our country and keep us safe. IMO, they should be rewarded. I guess I'm alone in my thinking though...oh well.

~wheelsup

 

[satpak77]

Working for the government is a whole lot less demanding than working in the private sector. Monday-Friday work, all holidays off, pensions, etc.

Maybe you can relay your sentiments to Senator John McCain, who spent 5 years as a POW in Vietnam (I am sure the VC gave him weekends off), or maybe to the CIA Contractors in Colombia who are still there, after their Caravan crashed, or maybe you could tell that Air Force LT/CPT, who is running combat missions over Iraq at 50-60K a year pay

better yet, tell the families of the above people, how "government work is less demanding"

yeah, all above examples are less demanding and easier than flying a Saab 340 from ABI to DFW all day long...I am sure with your Amphib time you are at the top of the major airline resume list and the "easy government job" pilots are at the botton

I mean, the new-hire stats at the majors reflect just that fact don't they?

 

[DrProc]

Where did I say more qualified Doc? I said preference for hiring, which is the law.

If you don't like it, write your Congressman.

By the way, your assumptions about banking hours are misguided. The JPATS folks work harder and fly more than anybody in the industry except air tanker pilots during fire season. (Public use aircraft operations are not subject to monthly part 91 flight time limits.)

No cake walk.

Part 91 Flight Time Limits? Interesting.
How about those long haul international 121 operators that have no limit on duty time under supplemental rules.

Listen, I have nothing against the military, especially since I have been there and done that. But I have flown with a lot of people with a lot of experience from a lot of different outfits, and the one thing that I have found is that there is not one background that makes one pilot better than another. I have met just as many idiots with a military background, than with a civilian background. Also Conair operates more like an airline than as a military flight operation.

Now with that being said, can't we all just get along?

 

[Spooky 1]

Part 91 Flight Time Limits? Interesting.
How about those long haul international 121 operators that have no limit on duty time under supplemental rules.

Listen, I have nothing against the military, especially since I have been there and done that. But I have flown with a lot of people with a lot of experience from a lot of different outfits, and the one thing that I have found is that there is not one background that makes one pilot better than another. I have met just as many idiots with a military background, than with a civilian background. Also Conair operates more like an airline than as a military flight operation.

Now with that being said, can't we all just get along?

I assume you mean you were in the military, but not as a pilot? Your profile does not reflect that at least.

 

[JohnDoe]

Geeezzzzzz,

Once again, a thread started in the attempt at some usefull info turns into a Pi$$ing match.......

Is it ever possible that a discussion won't turn into a "mine is bigger than your's" fest??

Anybody know how to delete a thread?

 

[Spooky 1]

Geeezzzzzz,

Once again, a thread started in the attempt at some usefull info turns into a Pi$$ing match.......

Is it ever possible that a discussion won't turn into a "mine is bigger than your's" fest??

Anybody know how to delete a thread?

Hey John.................no intended slur. Just interested in where this fellow was coming from. I also did a little tour and sometimes you would be suprised at who you come accross on this forum. TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND REMAIN CALM. No harm intended.

 

[JohnDoe]

Wasn't only referring to you spooky. It started at post #10 and continued on from there with others involved.

 

[atlcrashpad]

The US Marshals usually hire from within or ex military and ex law enforcement. I'm both and was picked up by US Customs. My interview group had one furloughed airline and one strictly military, the remaining were either military/law enforcement, military/airline, law enforcement/airline. It is very competitive when it comes to getting a GS13 pilot position.


Note: I had to turn down the position due to a family members health.

 

[Thedude]

Yup, I can second what ATLcrashpad said. I have done quite a bit of subcontract work for the US Marshalls and even applied for a job there. Most of the time when a job is advertised they already have someone in mind, so unless you know someone currently working there you can forget about it.

I haven't had the greatest experience with some of the US Marshall pilots. A good majority are ex-military and dont know how to fuction with their civilian counterparts very well. (Read: some of them can be real pricks).

The flying I did for them was a minimum of 5 legs a day and sometimes up to 11 legs. In a 727 that makes for a very long day. So you can forget about getting any breaks or trying to eat during the trip.

 

[wheelsup]

, and the one thing that I have found is that there is not one background that makes one pilot better than another.

Who said one was better than the other? I can't find a poster on this thread that said military guys were better pilots. I think you're reading in between the lines way too much.

~wheelsup

 

[PHXFLYR]

"so I'm guessing those jobs normally go to those fella's (and rightly so)."

And why do you think they should rightly go to those fellas?

Why do you think they shouldn't?


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Part 91 Flight Time Limits? Interesting.
How about those long haul international 121 operators that have no limit on duty time under supplemental rules.

Listen, I have nothing against the military, especially since I have been there and done that. But I have flown with a lot of people with a lot of experience from a lot of different outfits, and the one thing that I have found is that there is not one background that makes one pilot better than another. I have met just as many idiots with a military background, than with a civilian background. Also Conair operates more like an airline than as a military flight operation.

Now with that being said, can't we all just get along?

NO!


PHXFLYR

 

[Resume Writer]

From my understanding, the application process is based on "points". You get more points for being a veteran, so I'm guessing those jobs normally go to those fella's (and rightly so).

~wheelsup

Here is the definition of points preference:

VETERANS PREFERENCE: Five points may be added to the eligible ratings of veterans who: Entered the military service prior to October 14, 1976; served on active duty during the Gulf War between August 2, 1990 and January 2, 1992, regardless of where the person served; or, served in a military action for which they received a campaign badge or expeditionary medal. Medal holders and Gulf War veterans must have served continuously for at least 24 months or the full period for which called or ordered to active duty. Ten points may be granted to the eligible ratings of disabled veterans; Purple Heart recipients; spouses or mothers of a 100 percent disabled veteran; or the widows, widowers, or mothers of a deceased veteran.



With federal positions, they are also "graded" to ensure that you meet the minimum requirements. When you apply, make sure that you have all the qualifications they are looking for or your will end up in the "non-qualified" pile.

 

[LJDRVR]

Hey Doc,

Of course we can get along. I think you misunderstood my posts a bit, though Sir. Nobody ever said anything about military pilots being better, I simply stated that veterans get hiring preference (Points). (Refer to Kathy's post above mine for the specifics.) This is not because of anything other than they served their country and get looked at first. Period.

You misinterpereted both of my posts as meaning that I somehow assert that veterans should get those jobs because they're somehow better pilots. You and I both know that has nothing to do with it. Veterans get preference for the jobs because they served and that's the law.

Blue Skies...

 

[MyRadarIsOut]

Postes by PHXFLYR vbmenu_register("postmenu_852328", true);
"Why do you think they shouldn't?"

I think that they should go to the most qualified! With things being even, then the veteran's preface kicks in.

I asked the original question in post #10 because of this:

"so I'm guessing those jobs normally go to those fella's (and rightly so).


It looked to me like you were saying that only prior military should get these jobs. Like someone said, its who you know. Just like in many aviation jobs. No harm intended.

 

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Hi,
Anybody have any insight on flying for the US Marshal Service / JPATS (ie: what is the job like/entail)?[/quote


It's a U.S. government job; if you're a white non-veteran male you go directly to the bottom of the list.

 

[SKC]

They also have an MD.

That might have been our (Ryan) MD, as we've done quite a bit of subservice for them.