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hindsight2020 said:
it isn't because I don't know what I'm talking about, it's because it's futile to try and have a productive exchange with all this Type A 'if you don't fly the F-16' stench on this board.

No, that's not the point. If you want to fly a fighter in the USAF, then you're going to have to play by the rules. One rule is that #2 shuts his pie-hole and listens to #1 -- even if he all ready knows, and even if he all ready knows *better*.

A lesson that you ought to be taking from this whole deal is that there's more to the fighter game than good hands (and even that, at your stage, is an unknown). There is also a 'good attitude' that goes along with it, and playing by the rules is one important aspect of having that good attitude.

I see a lot of different types of pilots come through IFF, with a wide range of skills. The ones who have a tough time are the ones who can't seem to grasp their position as "twop!", regardless of how much time they have in their logbook and in what type of aircraft.

As someone who seems intent on flying a fighter, I'd recommend being in receive-only mode for a while until you've actually accomplished something -- like at least being mission qualified in a MWS aircraft.
 

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Hindsight,

Good luck in what ever you end up flying. Get a thicker skin and use some of the advise posted in this forum.

With that said, I'm out.

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pkober,


Zoid would have had a field day with this dude. I'm still laughing just thinking about it. Peace!
 

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Korgs,

They broke the mold with Zoid.

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Pilot on the rise...

My name should actually be "pilot on the mend...", but when back in action I fly in the active duty F15 schoolhouse at Tyndall. The F16s at Luke and the F15s at Tyndall both have part-time guys who fly and support the mission. The Luke guys are Reservists, the Tyndall guys are Florida Guardsmen, and there are some organizational differences...but basically the same job. I am blessed to be here and enjoy in very much. There are also a very small number of reservists at Eglin and Langley...I won't reveal their names here but if they choose to pipe in they can offer their perspective on that gig.
 

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AlbieF15 said:
Pilot on the rise...

My name should actually be "pilot on the mend...", but when back in action I fly in the active duty F15 schoolhouse at Tyndall. The F16s at Luke and the F15s at Tyndall both have part-time guys who fly and support the mission. The Luke guys are Reservists, the Tyndall guys are Florida Guardsmen, and there are some organizational differences...but basically the same job. I am blessed to be here and enjoy in very much. There are also a very small number of reservists at Eglin and Langley...I won't reveal their names here but if they choose to pipe in they can offer their perspective on that gig.

I just joined the Guard; 159th FW in New Orleans, which is an F-15 unit, so I am hoping to be flying the Eagle eventually. I officially signed up last Friday, and will not be leaving for basic training or tech. school until January, but I am excited. I will be an F-15 Crew Chief, so part of my tech. school will be at Tyndall. How is it at Tyndall?
 

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Like the "Never pass up an opportunity..." quote. In the navy, I was taught as a nugget that, for the first six months, don't talk. For the next six months, speak only when spoken too. If you read between the lines, it's good advice to a FNG who's still got a lot to learn, good and bad, from the salty dogs.
 

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I have averaged about 15 hours a month flying mostly the Tomcat over 9 years of active duty flying, with more recently. The flying can be hot and cold. On deployment, it's fairly common to see 30-40+ hrs/month or even more in combat, but there is usually a lull after a squadron returns. It also fluctuates depending on what you do for shore tour, and tactical jets definitely have some of the lowest flying times of any community in the Navy -- but I sign for the jet every time I go fly.

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Hindsight,

Fly Navy my friend... Fly Navy! Sure our planes are old and we only have basic cable in our BOQ rooms (if we're lucky), but we have a very low quota of premadonnas.

flame on!

Let me get you guys started... yes, I fly P-3's... yes they suck... let's see... oh yeah... my mom... I miss anything fellas?

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Yeah, your engines are upside down.

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Well played pkober... well played. I didn't see that one coming. I even got a chuckle out of it. Hindsight, I stand corrected... them some funny premadonnas! Fly safe boys!

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Thanks,

I don't think a Guard Herc pilot has ever been called a premadonna. We are usually the ones with ketchup stains on our bags.

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No, the primadonnas are the fighter guys who insist on the life support dudes carrying their helmets to the airplane. O-r, at least you're in the BOQ, with cable and telephone and per diem. I'll be giving Uncle Sam $7 a day back for the next six months to pay for the triangle fish and over-cooked spaghetti they feed me on the carrier. At least my under-roos get cleaned in fresh water instead of salt water.

Clambake, I got stuck at Little Rock AFB for a few days a couple of months ago. We somehow got assigned General's quarter at the Q for a night. Dem r sum nice digs down der in Arkansas!
 

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I'll chime in on my experience; I am currently talking/schmoozing my way into an AF reserve unit. It is a total of 60 days a year to get a good year (counts toward retirement) but like most units they understand your priorities (family, civ job, then unit) and will excuse you from drill and what not if there are more important things going on in your life that weekend. It is an E-3 unit and they are very laid back and currency is not as back breaking as an eagle or viper unit, therefor much less required flying. Both reserve and guard units are golden nuggets...take it if it is offered. I am also planning on applying to the Air Force through OTS when the time comes and am in the process of applying for the Navy's bachelor degree completion program just to keep my options open. Hopefully after all the dust settles (CFI hours, UPT, spin up) I'll have a nice civilian job waiting for me at possibly airtran or jet blue....wink wink! The way I see it guard and reserve units are all the pros of the military without the cons. Bottom line is stay away from the military if you dont have that desire in your heart to do anything to protect your country; besides that always bring a good case of beer.
 

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Almerick07 said:
I'll chime in on my experience; I am currently talking/schmoozing my way into an AF reserve unit. It is a total of 60 days a year to get a good year (counts toward retirement) but like most units they understand your priorities (family, civ job, then unit) and will excuse you from drill and what not if there are more important things going on in your life that weekend. It is an E-3 unit and they are very laid back and currency is not as back breaking as an eagle or viper unit, therefor much less required flying. Both reserve and guard units are golden nuggets...take it if it is offered. I am also planning on applying to the Air Force through OTS when the time comes and am in the process of applying for the Navy's bachelor degree completion program just to keep my options open. Hopefully after all the dust settles (CFI hours, UPT, spin up) I'll have a nice civilian job waiting for me at possibly airtran or jet blue....wink wink! The way I see it guard and reserve units are all the pros of the military without the cons. Bottom line is stay away from the military if you dont have that desire in your heart to do anything to protect your country; besides that always bring a good case of beer.


Almerick07,
You may have a desire to serve your country, but reading your post sounds like you are only willing to do the bare minimum. The military is about sacrifice my friend... active duty, ANG, or reserves. Do us a favor and go VFR direct to Airtran or jetBlue (wink, wink).
 
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Almerick07 said:
I'll chime in on my experience; I am currently talking/schmoozing my way into an AF reserve unit. It is a total of 60 days a year to get a good year (counts toward retirement) but like most units they understand your priorities (family, civ job, then unit) and will excuse you from drill and what not if there are more important things going on in your life that weekend. It is an E-3 unit and they are very laid back and currency is not as back breaking as an eagle or viper unit, therefor much less required flying. Both reserve and guard units are golden nuggets...take it if it is offered. I am also planning on applying to the Air Force through OTS when the time comes and am in the process of applying for the Navy's bachelor degree completion program just to keep my options open. Hopefully after all the dust settles (CFI hours, UPT, spin up) I'll have a nice civilian job waiting for me at possibly airtran or jet blue....wink wink! The way I see it guard and reserve units are all the pros of the military without the cons. Bottom line is stay away from the military if you dont have that desire in your heart to do anything to protect your country; besides that always bring a good case of beer.

And y'all stomped on me like a f$ckin' piñata on cinco de mayo? WTF
But, I digress. I'll take the advice of Mud Eagle to heart and go receive-only mode until I've actually done anything of consequence with my life ....like when (IF I meant IF!!) I'm FTU complete or the like....
 
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Believe it or not, a lot of civilian pilots get crushed in UPT. It usually isn't flying skills that get them eliminated, its a culmination of a bad, self serving attitude burning up any green stamps they have looong before they might really need to cash one or two in after a bad day.

Highsight is learning. You obviously missed something. EVERY time I flew into some god-forsaken no-fly container there were some AWACS bros there doing their thing. They took off before me, landed after me, and ate in the same crappy chow halls and slept in the same crappy tents or Qs. An active duty Tinker guy in the 90s might be gone 220 + days a year. Those same guys are now your ADOs, DOs, and Commanders. If they pick up the vibe you sent out here on the internet, I'd say its a safe bet your time in UPT and/or your gaining unit won't be nearly as much fun as you think it will be. You are a phone call away from being sent to combat when you are in the ANG/Reserves, and you cannot forget that. When that call comes, there is no "geez, I've got plans, an upgrade at my airline, etc etc" that will change your life for the next 30 days to 2 years. Enjoy the good side of the reserves, but understand WHY you are there and what those obligations really mean. Last year 2 guys at FDX were killed in fighter mishaps--there is still a cost of doing business in the combat or combat training arena, even if you are not active duty.
 

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Almerick07,
You may have a desire to serve your country, but reading your post sounds like you are only willing to do the bare minimum. The military is about sacrifice my friend... active duty, ANG, or reserves. Do us a favor and go VFR direct to Airtran or jetBlue (wink, wink).

I was stating the facts, the only reason I am doing the reserves opposed to AD was for the sake of loved ones, my fiance...whose dad flew AD (AWACS) and she hated the lifestyle growing up. Honestly I would love to go full time at the unit, that is my ultimate goal. Unfortunatly I cant plan on that so I need to plan on something else. I spent 2 years in AFROTC before I made this decision which as of 6 months ago I knew nothing about, all I was trying to do is give other kids like me out there the facts about it. Atleast I have this option and still get to serve my country. Not to mention,
I am also planning on applying to the Air Force through OTS when the time comes and am in the process of applying for the Navy's bachelor degree completion program just to keep my options open.

Maybe that has something to do with my girl??? I didnt know yall wanted a love story but bottom line is loosen up, we're all here for the same reason.
 

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Almerick07 said:
I was stating the facts, the only reason I am doing the reserves opposed to AD was for the sake of loved ones, my fiance...whose dad flew AD (AWACS) and she hated the lifestyle growing up. Honestly I would love to go full time at the unit, that is my ultimate goal. Unfortunatly I cant plan on that so I need to plan on something else. I spent 2 years in AFROTC before I made this decision which as of 6 months ago I knew nothing about, all I was trying to do is give other kids like me out there the facts about it. Atleast I have this option and still get to serve my country. Not to mention,

Almerick07,
I hope the ANG or the Reserves turns out to be what you think it is, but having spent over 10 years (and still counting) on active duty I feel I am educated enough to warn you that it isn't. It may have been in years past, but nowadays, people, planes and parts are spread pretty thin. You may want to go back a re-read Albie's post about getting "the call" to serve (well said Albie) and prepare your fiance for the lifestyle of a someone in today's ANG/Reserves... or get a new fiance.

And another thing... I would wait til after you land from your first mission anywhere other than your local FBO before you start telling those who have "been there and done that" to "loosen up".

Alright... I am done with this soapbox. Anybody else need it?
 
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