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FLYI or DELTA...Who is paying for the 328 leases?

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Indypilot said:
Delta cancelled the agreement with independence without cause. The contract with Delta and indy specified that whoever cancelled without cause has to pay the leases. That's the way the contract was written. There was NO clause in the Delta-Indy contract that prohibited us from doing what we did.

You could be right. I dont know. It would be interesting to see the contract between Delta and ACA. But, given that Delta had a contract with its pilots, I don't see them signing and agreement with someone else that would not take that into account. Have you actually seen the contract?
 
Mr Pickle, my opinion of midwest is just that...my opinion. Note I was referring to midwest, not midwest connect. Why would I have such an opinion, hmmm lets see. Midwest buys 717's after years of research and bases their opinion on the fact that 717's are better than 73's or airbuses because they are better suited for 2x2 seating and the others would be 3x2. The 717 can't reach the west coast so this dooms midwest into maintaining two aircraft types. Idiotic. Even better, shortly after taking delivery of the 717 Midwest reallizes that 2x2 seating is not a viable business option and changes the configuration of all the remaining mad dogs into 3x2. Ugh. Shortly before the 717 debacle midwest was duped by fairchild not once, not twice, but three times. Midwest picked the dornier because it was cheaper than the other two options, never mind the fact that the other "launch customer" for the 328 (prop version) Horizon told dornier to F themselves after they received no support. Before Midwest recieved 1/4 of the original order dornier goes tits up. Midwest sues for breach of contract and had the ability to run very fast from dornier, but no, they stick around because dornier promised free planes. Free planes from a company that is going out of business? Dornier then announces that they are not going to build the 428. Midwest sues again, but instead of cutting their losses and getting out of the 328 completely they agree to a large cash settlement (presumably to pay for EMB's that should have been ordered years earlier). What happened immediately after the cash settlement announcement? Dornier liquidates and Midwest recoups a fraction of the agreement. Say it with me...STUUUUUUPPPPPIIIIIDDDDD. I could throw in the fact that midwest encumbered the 1900's with leases that last FIFTEEN YEARS. Whoops, that was pretty stupid after they paid cash for them new. Refusal to advertise, anywhere, except milwaukee. Stupid. The head of marketing was asked why midwest doesn't advertise in large markets like New York. His response, and I am not kidding, "We don't think there are enough people in New York that want to come to Milwaukee to justify the cost". Oh my god I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at that little gem.
I flew at skyway for several years and everyone from scheduling (well maybe not "bandcamp" herself) to flight standards to the line pilots were truly awesome people. It was a really great place to work and I made dozens of life long friends. That being said, Midwest is still run like a circus. Now go get your panties out of wad and drink a beer or something, gerkin. :p
 
michael707767 said:
You could be right. I dont know. It would be interesting to see the contract between Delta and ACA. But, given that Delta had a contract with its pilots, I don't see them signing and agreement with someone else that would not take that into account. Have you actually seen the contract?
I bet American didn't see themselves signing a contract with CHQ, that would allow them to operate 70 seaters in violation of their contract with APA. It appears that they did though.

I am thinking that there are a couple of lawyers out there not getting a christmas bonus this year.
 
greenpickle said:
Stay Seated, your wrong. Midconn is indeed frugal but actually they are very smart, in my opinion. Midconn has very successfully run the D328. It is an aircraft that works well with our system. If Midconn waits to get a great deal on an aircraft because of the current operator's issues, then so be it. It will also be flown with already trained pilots. Actually, I think they are trying to make lemonade out of lemons here.

I dont even know why i get pissed at comments like yours. If Midconn was doing absolutely nothing, you would probably be one of the first to start b!tchin that we arent aggressive enough. Stay seated, have a happy holiday. I know our 150+ surplus pilots will because they all have jobs, and paychecks, and Midconn is trying to get them something to do. Even it is in a "failed airframe".

GrumpyPickle
Midwest and Skyway are being financially conservative and there isn't anything wrong with that, per se. However, we could stand to be a bit more aggressive in marketing and expansion outside the Milwaukee area. It may be a little surprising to senior management that a world exists outside of Milwaukee.

We'll figure out a way to survive.

Peace

SF
 
Okay

StaySeated said:
Mr Pickle, my opinion of midwest is just that...my opinion. Note I was referring to midwest, not midwest connect. Why would I have such an opinion, hmmm lets see. Midwest buys 717's after years of research and bases their opinion on the fact that 717's are better than 73's or airbuses because they are better suited for 2x2 seating and the others would be 3x2. The 717 can't reach the west coast so this dooms midwest into maintaining two aircraft types. Idiotic. Even better, shortly after taking delivery of the 717 Midwest reallizes that 2x2 seating is not a viable business option and changes the configuration of all the remaining mad dogs into 3x2. Ugh. Shortly before the 717 debacle midwest was duped by fairchild not once, not twice, but three times. Midwest picked the dornier because it was cheaper than the other two options, never mind the fact that the other "launch customer" for the 328 (prop version) Horizon told dornier to F themselves after they received no support. Before Midwest recieved 1/4 of the original order dornier goes tits up. Midwest sues for breach of contract and had the ability to run very fast from dornier, but no, they stick around because dornier promised free planes. Free planes from a company that is going out of business? Dornier then announces that they are not going to build the 428. Midwest sues again, but instead of cutting their losses and getting out of the 328 completely they agree to a large cash settlement (presumably to pay for EMB's that should have been ordered years earlier). What happened immediately after the cash settlement announcement? Dornier liquidates and Midwest recoups a fraction of the agreement. Say it with me...STUUUUUUPPPPPIIIIIDDDDD. I could throw in the fact that midwest encumbered the 1900's with leases that last FIFTEEN YEARS. Whoops, that was pretty stupid after they paid cash for them new. Refusal to advertise, anywhere, except milwaukee. Stupid. The head of marketing was asked why midwest doesn't advertise in large markets like New York. His response, and I am not kidding, "We don't think there are enough people in New York that want to come to Milwaukee to justify the cost". Oh my god I don't know whether I should laugh or cry at that little gem.
I flew at skyway for several years and everyone from scheduling (well maybe not "bandcamp" herself) to flight standards to the line pilots were truly awesome people. It was a really great place to work and I made dozens of life long friends. That being said, Midwest is still run like a circus. Now go get your panties out of wad and drink a beer or something, gerkin. :p
I appreciate your response. I can see you put time in it. I really try not to think of what Midwest does because it is so far out of my control. As far as Midconn is concerned, I still think they are doing the best they can with what they got. I will go drink that beer but I kindof like my panties like this. Peace out.

GP
 
Guess what people no ONE KNOWS what the heck is going to happen so for once I can say to you people "RELAX" and when it happens I am sure you people will be the first to write it on this reliable news site!

Merry xmas

:)
 
Guess what people no ONE KNOWS what the heck is going to happen so for once I can say to you people "RELAX" and when it happens I am sure you people will be the first to write it on this reliable news site!
Dude, you're an idiot. A month ago you were living and dying by every word on this board. Now you are telling people who are writing decent posts to relax. Gimee a break.

Secondly, the last few posts, especially the one by stayseated have been very informative.
 
Gee I am sorry zeroline for making you SO upset by changing my understanding of this site and the lack of real information on it. As for your "idiot" comment, -- thats real orginal and how hurtful!!!! hahahah
You crack me up!
 
Justino the day you get to SYX let me know. So I can bid the plane that you are not on. You might want to check in to dental hygiene. Sounds like a great career. That would be a step up from wal-mart. Not to diss wally world. I would make more money there being a night stocker. I thought that I had blocked your posts but somehow you keep appearing on these posts. Are any of the aircraft you fly BLUE? Last time I checked there are not any cases of a Skyway crew putting an aircraft in an unusual attitudes.


Props

I second Zerolines comment... "IDIOT"
 
Propsfullfwd said:
Justino the day you get to SYX let me know. So I can bid the plane that you are not on. You might want to check in to dental hygiene. Sounds like a great career. That would be a step up from wal-mart. Not to diss wally world. I would make more money there being a night stocker. I thought that I had blocked your posts but somehow you keep appearing on these posts. Are any of the aircraft you fly BLUE? Last time I checked there are not any cases of a Skyway crew putting an aircraft in an unusual attitudes.


Props

I second Zerolines comment... "IDIOT"
LOL

This site is great...
 
I know who stay seated is....

Hey stayseated, awesome post. If anyone wants to know how stupid Midwest is that is the post to read. The monkeys over at the cookie palace couldn't manage a lemonade stand. It reinforces my belief that ANY idiot can run an airline.

Skyway could do so much more if it wasn't owned by the Timmy H. good ol' boy club. Name another airline where no person on the board of directors has ANY airline experience. It is amazing that Midwest is still running.....

-TC

By the way is Skyway hiring??? :)
 
Hey this is my first post and I must say, why are people like zeroline and Props so harsh to other people. JUst because others express their opinions does not mean they should be called names. So sad I have to post somehting like this. O well, off and running I guess.
 
Flyerhigher

Do a search on Justino. His posts have done a 180 in this message. I do not sit here and rag on Justino. I have done it 2 times and they were for unnecessary. Wait and see what you think of this board in a few months. This name calling is mild. There is a place on this board where people get "put in timeout" I guess would be the way to put it.

TC
As for SYX hiring the answer is no for right now. Currently there is a class of 20 that were furloughed after they took their writtens. Everything is depending on the "Delta Deal".

Props
 
Hey props, thanks for explaining yourself. My post has done a 180 because I think this thread is just speculation which I have come realize does nothing for my hopes to fly for SKY. I wish you could understand my situation and at times how frustrating it is. Not to say that the guys and gals that got furloughed don't have it worse, cause they do, I just put to much faith in the posts before when I should not have. Please dont take my post personaly, cause we both know that the info on here is sometimes is not the most accurate. Have a good holiday and I am sorry you feel that you would never fly with me cause over a few posts you don't agree with.

J
 

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