Flops

[SilverSurfer]

Don't forget one very important point

Don't forget one very important point.

When the contract is ready it has to be voted on. If a contract comes out and is not acceptable, as was the rejected NJ first attempt, or there is not resolution to the RIF pilots situation, simply vote no to the contract and keep voting no until its right. It puts and keep pressure on both our union negotiators and management to produce a good contract and bringing the RIF back.

We each have power in our vote.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Our union leadership will not put forth a TA for vote prior to this issue be resolved. So even if there are those who "would" vote for a contract that did not include return of the 70 who were RIF'd, truth is they'll never have the opportunity to do so. Management knows this, and for many reasons are motivated more than ever to get the contract issue settled. Yes, there will be a cost associated with their return, but then that was point of RIF'ing the 70 all along - to give management more leverage at the bargaining table.

I'll guarantee that these same FUD spinners (fracjack) are not going directly to our union leadership to express their thoughts on the matter.

 

[jetwash]

I don't expect to see a contract that does not include the 70+ as part of the agreement.

I know our negotiation team will never disgrace themselves by giving into that, so it is a mute point.

No RIF pilots = No contract

 

[glasspilot]

What's a "mute" point? One that can't be heard?

 

[993_Pilot]

What's a "mute" point? One that can't be heard?

I would guess that he meant "moot"

moot –adjective 1.open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point. 2.of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic. 3.Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical. –verb (used with object) 4.to present or introduce (any point, subject, project, etc.) for discussion. 5.to reduce or remove the practical significance of; make purely theoretical or academic. 6.Archaic. to argue (a case), esp. in a mock court. –noun 7.an assembly of the people in early England exercising political, administrative, and judicial powers. 8.an argument or discussion, esp. of a hypothetical legal case. 9.Obsolete. a debate, argument, or discussion.

 

[jet2work]

Hey all,

I'm a former Flops pilot. I just thought that I would give you some of my perspective. I recognized about 4 years ago that I was on a sinking ship at Flops. Don't get me wrong. I loved the guys I flew with (not in the biblical sense) and the flying was fun (for the most part). I just ran the numbers and figured that 5 years as a Beechjet FO wasn't gonna help put my kids through college.

After I left for a corporate job, I tried hooking a few of my Flops buddies with positions at my company and at other local companies. Some of those guys were senior Flops guys and most of them eventually became involved with the unionization effort. Whenever I prodded them to just bail on FltOps, they would say that they had too much invested and wanted to make FltOps a better place. I just didn't get it. Here I was a year later making more than twice as much money as I was making at FltOps and offering to help them do the same. And their response was that they wanted to stick it out and make FltOps a better place for all of the pilots there instead of leaving and taking care of themselves.

Unfortunately, at least two of those guys were RIF'd. So I would suggest that any FltOps pilot please consider the sacrafices made by some, to get you to where you are now. I know that this will be harder for a junior guy (like I was) to swallow. Your best bet is probably to get the hell out of there or else bite the bullet.

Good luck to all of you.

I had the pleasure of flying with Mr. don't touch my bags, and our resident Thunderbird.. Good times...

 

[993_Pilot]

... I'm a former Flops pilot. ....Your best bet is probably to get the hell out of there or else bite the bullet.

Good luck to all of you...

And what about the senior guys making more? Or the guys that are not living in a large metro area, and don't really want to move? I have flown for charter companies and corporate flight departments. Sometimes they have crappy schedules, or are always on a pager. Sometimes the CEO changes and the new one doesn't see the need for a corporate jet. The CBA is not just about pay! Domiciles, and Working Conditions are very important too! We all have things that are important to each of us, but those are why I stick around, and fight the battle for a CBA.

 

[netjetwife]

993, how right you are! Your cause is entirely justified and I support the FltOps pilots 100%! Hang in there, guys! NJW

 

[fracjack]

I'll guarantee that these same FUD spinners (fracjack) are not going directly to our union leadership to express their thoughts on the matter.

Hey Mr. Pro, you can read the written word (apparantly not)can you also read minds?
Perhaps you also signed on for the severance as one of the 70 and are kickin yourself. Let me guess, you write up lightbulbs in Malta,Mt. after a couple flights past any maintenance facility.People that did similar things to make there "union" stand hurt us all and drove owners away,want to guess who was the biggest beneficiary?
I regret signing up for the drival that happens under the fractional threads, must be the same loudmouths as the union site.

 

[993_Pilot]

. . . I regret signing up for the drival that happens under the fractional threads, must be the same loudmouths as the union site.

I have a simple solution for you . . . Go away. Then you won't have to listen to any "loudmouths".