Flops

[1x1pilot]

And your screen names suggests where you must love to take it

You're dumb.

 

[SecondSegment]

Hey Hey, Don't gift wrap me with anyone else. Disruptive? Listen Judge Judy, I've been around here for a long time and got my name changed because I wanted more anonymity.

I'm a member in good standing. Paid up. I walked the line and never did ovetime. Just read the new Negotiating report. Did you? I just don't like lamers or cling ons. You might be one of those.

The guy with the superhomers, Dude 35 years ago when I started superhomers were a foggy memory for only a few. Are you on life support?

 

[Galaxy]

i love how some of you self righteous people put a spin on a question and want to assume you know my personal position. I can also assume the person who says I'm dumb wasn't even pissin in his pants when I was tuning superhomers.
Here's my position as if it mattered.
Most of the 70 were innocent bystanders and collateral damage from mis-guided management. About 10% would have been fired from any corporate job for the antics they pulled, of that number 2 or 3 are a P.I.T.A. We are not fighting a war overseas here, this is becoming a civilwar being declared amongst ourselves fed by managements fud and we are the ones who can either stop it or allow it to continue. Any other analogy of leaving behind the wounded is bs.
Bring 'em back. we'll sort out the losers.

The 2 or 3 you claim to be bad apples are but mere angels compared to the 2 or 3 that come to my mind I would like to see gone for the actions they have done. Lets see---How about Mr Engine Plugs? or Mr Don't touch my Bag! or Mr it doesn't look broken to me. Broke is Broke--deal with it. Oh the list could go on and on. They are still on the payroll putting lives at risk and causing the most trouble as most pilots will take the chance of getting fired for calling in sick rather than fly with some of them.
I stand by the deal of bring them all back. Negotiate a contract. Then when the rules are in place for discliplinary measures that will sort ou the rotting fruit.
If you were tuning Narco's when we all were young you really should retire. Dang-thats some old stuff-I guess Wilbur gve you your PPL too? Just joking--

 

[Galaxy]

Hey Hey, Don't gift wrap me with anyone else. Disruptive? Listen Judge Judy, I've been around here for a long time and got my name changed because I wanted more anonymity.

I'm a member in good standing. Paid up. I walked the line and never did ovetime. Just read the new Negotiating report. Did you? I just don't like lamers or cling ons. You might be one of those.

The guy with the superhomers, Dude 35 years ago when I started superhomers were a foggy memory for only a few. Are you on life support?

Just keep walking the line then..We will all be there soon enough.

The superhomers made me laugh too! A 1950 Bonanza was the bomb with a Narco.

 

[FRLWD]

Most is 51%.

Just where do you get your info?

The problem is that this could be a deal breaker. If the deal is going to be blown over this, It kills me to have the No Respectors tip the scale on a no deal scenaro.

You see...........You do have an agenda.

 

[FRLWD]

I've been around here for a long time and got my name changed because I wanted more anonymity.

How will trading an old anonymous name for a new anonymous name give you more anonymity?? Quite the secret squirrel there SS.

Just read the new Negotiating report.

Wow!!! congratulations. You're a true supporter of the cause.

I just don't like lamers or cling ons.

What exactly do you mean?? Do you think all of those who were fired deserved it?
It appears your agenda is to spread FUD and make it seem as though trying to get the RIF pilots returned to FLOPS is going to spoil the progress of the contract.

If the overall solidarity of our pilots were as lame as yours we'd never make any progress. Fortunately our leadership and the majority of our membership believe in unity and solidarity and will fight for what is right and fair for everyone.

 

[cougar12]

If the 70+ are not returned soon! It will not matter whether there is a contract or not. I here the IBT has some interesting information for any future legal proceedings if it becomes necessary. I recommend complete solidarity getting the fired pilots returned if we want to keep our own jobs.

 

[TurboHonda]

Who would like a TA to vote on that would allow the company to pick and choose the innocents to come back from the 70 RIFs?

That would be interesting. If the company agreed to that, they would be admitting that:

1. Pilots had been targeted for wrongful termination.

2. Innocents were included to make it look legitimate.


I don't think the company is that stupid. On second thought, maybe they are.

 

[Ben Dover FLOPS]

And your screen names suggests where you must love to take it

Hmmm.. Ben Dover FLOPS means that I love to take it. Just how do you get that from Ben Dover FLOPS? Now, if my screen name were something like I. M. Bendinover or Ben Ding Meover or I. M. Bentover or Fracjack, then I would understand your conclusion.

You're dumb

 

[Myster79]

For everyone out there that would agree to a contract without the RIF pilots back at work need to think about one thing? What if I am next! Would you want us to forget about you also? Do you believe that it can never happen to you? Well, let me tell you, it can happen to you.

Furthermore, bringing back some of the 70 and not all, will never fly. The 70 that were fired will never agree to it, they are men of integrity, something a lot of you guys lack. Why don't all of you grow a set and stick up for yourselves and your fellow pilots. I am getting to the point where I am ashamed to be associated with many of you.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Don't forget one very important point

Don't forget one very important point.

When the contract is ready it has to be voted on. If a contract comes out and is not acceptable, as was the rejected NJ first attempt, or there is not resolution to the RIF pilots situation, simply vote no to the contract and keep voting no until its right. It puts and keep pressure on both our union negotiators and management to produce a good contract and bringing the RIF back.

We each have power in our vote.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Our union leadership will not put forth a TA for vote prior to this issue be resolved. So even if there are those who "would" vote for a contract that did not include return of the 70 who were RIF'd, truth is they'll never have the opportunity to do so. Management knows this, and for many reasons are motivated more than ever to get the contract issue settled. Yes, there will be a cost associated with their return, but then that was point of RIF'ing the 70 all along - to give management more leverage at the bargaining table.

I'll guarantee that these same FUD spinners (fracjack) are not going directly to our union leadership to express their thoughts on the matter.

 

[jetwash]

I don't expect to see a contract that does not include the 70+ as part of the agreement.

I know our negotiation team will never disgrace themselves by giving into that, so it is a mute point.

No RIF pilots = No contract

 

[glasspilot]

What's a "mute" point? One that can't be heard?

 

[993_Pilot]

What's a "mute" point? One that can't be heard?

I would guess that he meant "moot"

moot –adjective 1.open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point. 2.of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic. 3.Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical. –verb (used with object) 4.to present or introduce (any point, subject, project, etc.) for discussion. 5.to reduce or remove the practical significance of; make purely theoretical or academic. 6.Archaic. to argue (a case), esp. in a mock court. –noun 7.an assembly of the people in early England exercising political, administrative, and judicial powers. 8.an argument or discussion, esp. of a hypothetical legal case. 9.Obsolete. a debate, argument, or discussion.

 

[jet2work]

Hey all,

I'm a former Flops pilot. I just thought that I would give you some of my perspective. I recognized about 4 years ago that I was on a sinking ship at Flops. Don't get me wrong. I loved the guys I flew with (not in the biblical sense) and the flying was fun (for the most part). I just ran the numbers and figured that 5 years as a Beechjet FO wasn't gonna help put my kids through college.

After I left for a corporate job, I tried hooking a few of my Flops buddies with positions at my company and at other local companies. Some of those guys were senior Flops guys and most of them eventually became involved with the unionization effort. Whenever I prodded them to just bail on FltOps, they would say that they had too much invested and wanted to make FltOps a better place. I just didn't get it. Here I was a year later making more than twice as much money as I was making at FltOps and offering to help them do the same. And their response was that they wanted to stick it out and make FltOps a better place for all of the pilots there instead of leaving and taking care of themselves.

Unfortunately, at least two of those guys were RIF'd. So I would suggest that any FltOps pilot please consider the sacrafices made by some, to get you to where you are now. I know that this will be harder for a junior guy (like I was) to swallow. Your best bet is probably to get the hell out of there or else bite the bullet.

Good luck to all of you.

I had the pleasure of flying with Mr. don't touch my bags, and our resident Thunderbird.. Good times...

 

[993_Pilot]

... I'm a former Flops pilot. ....Your best bet is probably to get the hell out of there or else bite the bullet.

Good luck to all of you...

And what about the senior guys making more? Or the guys that are not living in a large metro area, and don't really want to move? I have flown for charter companies and corporate flight departments. Sometimes they have crappy schedules, or are always on a pager. Sometimes the CEO changes and the new one doesn't see the need for a corporate jet. The CBA is not just about pay! Domiciles, and Working Conditions are very important too! We all have things that are important to each of us, but those are why I stick around, and fight the battle for a CBA.

 

[netjetwife]

993, how right you are! Your cause is entirely justified and I support the FltOps pilots 100%! Hang in there, guys! NJW

 

[fracjack]

I'll guarantee that these same FUD spinners (fracjack) are not going directly to our union leadership to express their thoughts on the matter.

Hey Mr. Pro, you can read the written word (apparantly not)can you also read minds?
Perhaps you also signed on for the severance as one of the 70 and are kickin yourself. Let me guess, you write up lightbulbs in Malta,Mt. after a couple flights past any maintenance facility.People that did similar things to make there "union" stand hurt us all and drove owners away,want to guess who was the biggest beneficiary?
I regret signing up for the drival that happens under the fractional threads, must be the same loudmouths as the union site.

 

[993_Pilot]

. . . I regret signing up for the drival that happens under the fractional threads, must be the same loudmouths as the union site.

I have a simple solution for you . . . Go away. Then you won't have to listen to any "loudmouths".