Flops Pilots going after their own

[993_Pilot]

Some of you are simply missing the point. The principled (or cheap) few who don't want to pay dues are mostly, already well known. It's the Chicken $h!t pilots that want to try and play both sides that are the only ones who truly have anything to lose here... and it's about time!

 

[Praetorian]

I was gonna shut up, but I just can't stand this. These guys, for their own reasons, possibly ethical, didn't want a union. One got voted in any way, which I applauded. Now, even though they pay dues you guys, fellow pilots, are going after them, because they don't agree with the contract. Even worse, you state that one of the primary reasons is so that you will present a more united front to the company! Let's handcuff these guys, so we can say they are the same as us! We value appearances more than facts. Nice.

These pilots didn't support your fight, because it went against their beliefs, and you are going to publish a list of pilots who might have objected on principle, and didn't want to pay for a fight they didn't believe in. This shows a complete lack of respect for differences of opinion that your fellow pilots might have. Any idea of the democratic process in this union has evaporated. I sure hope you guys never talk about politics or religion in the cockpit.

Remember, someday, we will all, all of us be in the minority. is this how you would like to be treated?

don't tell me that you are any different than management when it comes to strong-arming pilots. I think you're better at it. You have no respect for minority opinion. And don't try to raise the flag. Individuality is dead at Flops. Lockstep guys, lockstep.

There are only two sides to this question. Every man must be for the United States or against it. There can be no neutrals in this war; only patriots and traitors.Stephen Douglas

You should have “shut up”. Because while you and the rest of the pilots with whom you work, remained on your hands and knees taking it up the a$$ like the at will pus$es that you are, the pilots at Flight Options fought for a contract. Unlike you they fought for our profession. Our efforts were repeatedly thwarted by the same freeloaders that you now defend. These individuals variously undermined our collective efforts by letting our management know they would scab if called upon to do so. And in spite of the fact that they sold their souls, we have tried to forgive and have offered them a chance to make it right through the payment plan. Even so they have given us the finger. So now we are done with them.

Respect? I have none for these individuals. I have nothing but contempt. Strong arming? This implies we are trying to affect their behavior. Understand something: We don’t care what they do, say, or believe. We loath them. We don’t want to breathe the same air as they do. We don’t wish to be seen with them. We don’t care about them, because they’ve demonstrated their single minded, self-centered ambivalence and hatred toward us.

 

[shanes123]

Thats the Problem the 1108 is making it all about money..They have the Us or them attitude and thats what pisses people off. Slinghoff can play hard ball with the pilots but not with management..Thats why your contract sucks..I do agree that everyone should try to become Migs just so thay can vote him out and get someone in there that can stand up FOR the Pilots not at the pilots..

 

[dime line]

Thats the Problem the 1108 is making it all about money..They have the Us or them attitude and thats what pisses people off. Slinghoff can play hard ball with the pilots but not with management..Thats why your contract sucks..I do agree that everyone should try to become Migs just so thay can vote him out and get someone in there that can stand up FOR the Pilots not at the pilots..

And where were you all this time?

 

[BE40Driver]

Migs

I bet there are more migs out on furlough that don't pay dues than are flying the line. That is why they want to put targets on them.

 

[Praetorian]

I bet there are more migs out on furlough that don't pay dues than are flying the line. That is why they want to put targets on them.

Ok, you lost me there. Please elaborate.

 

[BE40Driver]

There is the same amount of pilots out on furlough now as pilots flying the line. If you were a migs when you were furloughed you are still a migs but not paying any dues. Everyone is now paying that flys the line. Put a target on the flying pilot for precontract dues not paid to have recalls. 1108 leadership playing hardball with pilots but soft with Management.

 

[Praetorian]

There is the same amount of pilots out on furlough now as pilots flying the line. If you were a migs when you were furloughed you are still a migs but not paying any dues. Everyone is now paying that flys the line. Put a target on the flying pilot for precontract dues not paid to have recalls. 1108 leadership playing hardball with pilots but soft with Management.

Ok, I understand your theory. Here's the problem with it. No active pilot is going to get fired over this, because every active pilot is currently paying either dues or the agency fee. And active pilots have a legal right not to join the union.

As for the union not playing hardball with management, what else would like them to do? From what I hear they have four or five grievances going to arbitration right now. I think they are adequately doing their job, which is enforcing the contract.

Now if you’re suggesting that they didn't do a good job of negotiating the CBA to begin with, that's laughable. With an average 40% wage increase over the life of a contract that was negotiated during the worst economy in 80 years? Come on.

I would also remind you that the union's ability to negotiate that contract was affected by the same freeloaders you seem to be defending here. So if you don't like the contract and you wanna blame someone, blame them.

 

[1folinepilot]

Ok, I understand your theory. Here's the problem with it. No active pilot is going to get fired over this, because every active pilot is currently paying either dues or the agency fee. And active pilots have a legal right not to join the union.

As for the union not playing hardball with management, what else would like them to do? From what I hear they have four or five grievances going to arbitration right now. I think they are adequately doing their job, which is enforcing the contract.

Now if you’re suggesting that they didn't do a good job of negotiating the CBA to begin with, that's laughable. With an average 40% wage increase over the life of a contract that was negotiated during the worst economy in 80 years? Come on.

I would also remind you that the union's ability to negotiate that contract was affected by the same freeloaders you seem to be defending here. So if you don't like the contract and you wanna blame someone, blame them.

Pratorian, Thanks for the good laugh! Coming from the man who boasts that he is here to do as little work as possible your statement "Adequately doing their job" is amusing. We truly enjoy your self gratification. It is nice that you have a couple grievances on a few issues that might affect a couple of pilots, but how about doing something about the inadequate staffing levels that affect all of the pilots and the owners of the company? Are you too busy stuffing your face with 300$ lobsters to realize that we are understaffed out here on the line? Your boast on the 40% wage increase is also laughable as many received nothing extra in their Jan pay check and will only see a wage increase that almost keeps up with the cost of living at best. The 40% increase is in the amount of flying they have to do to earn their wages under the new contract!

 

[dime line]

Pratorian, Thanks for the good laugh! Coming from the man who boasts that he is here to do as little work as possible your statement "Adequately doing their job" is amusing. We truly enjoy your self gratification. It is nice that you have a couple grievances on a few issues that might affect a couple of pilots,

but how about doing something about the inadequate staffing levels that affect all of the pilots and the owners of the company

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Are you too busy stuffing your face with 300$ lobsters to realize that we are understaffed out here on the line

? Your boast on the 40% wage increase is also laughable as many received nothing extra in their Jan pay check and will only see a wage increase that almost keeps up with the cost of living at best. The 40% increase is in the amount of flying they have to do to earn their wages under the new contract!

Prat, the union has ZERO say in the staffing levels that the company establishes at FO. And your statement about 300$ Lobsters, you should go and get one they are great, oh and go ahead and bill that one to the company....thanks to the union and ricci......ricci offered and the union put it in the contract.

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[Praetorian]

Pratorian, Thanks for the good laugh! Coming from the man who boasts that he is here to do as little work as possible your statement "Adequately doing their job" is amusing. We truly enjoy your self gratification. It is nice that you have a couple grievances on a few issues that might affect a couple of pilots, but how about doing something about the inadequate staffing levels that affect all of the pilots and the owners of the company? Are you too busy stuffing your face with 300$ lobsters to realize that we are understaffed out here on the line? Your boast on the 40% wage increase is also laughable as many received nothing extra in their Jan pay check and will only see a wage increase that almost keeps up with the cost of living at best. The 40% increase is in the amount of flying they have to do to earn their wages under the new contract!

So I’m a self aggrandizing, lobster eating, lazy person? I don’t know who you think I am, but that must be some good s**t dude.

To address your one coherent remark, from what I’ve read the grievances that have been filed are class action grievances that address training issues that affect all pilots on the property, not just “a couple” as you stated.

 

[1folinepilot]

So I’m a self aggrandizing, lobster eating, lazy person? I don’t know who you think I am, but that must be some good s**t dude.

To address your one coherent remark, from what I’ve read the grievances that have been filed are class action grievances that address training issues that affect all pilots on the property, not just “a couple” as you stated.

It is good to see that you are filing grievences for a couple of loop holes in the contract that could potentially affect every pilot once a year,but let me ask you this, How many pilots have actually been affected in reality with a loss of rest on day 1 or loss of overtime on day 8? How much money is being spent fighting this issue that might affect a couple of pilots once a year? What is being done about a pilot recall to correct the inadequate staffing levels that directly affect every pilot every day of the year?

It is good that you are fighting for the rest and overtime for training, but how about putting some energy towards getting a few pilots recalled? I bet you would have more MIG's and supporters if you fought for a recall instead of just sitting on your soapbox pointing fingers and blaming everybody else for your shortfalls.

 

[dime line]

It is good to see that you are filing grievences for a couple of loop holes in the contract that could potentially affect every pilot once a year,but let me ask you this, How many pilots have actually been affected in reality with a loss of rest on day 1 or loss of overtime on day 8? How much money is being spent fighting this issue that might affect a couple of pilots once a year?

What is being done about a pilot recall to correct the inadequate staffing levels that directly affect every pilot every day of the year?

It is good that you are fighting for the rest and overtime for training,

but how about putting some energy towards getting a few pilots recalled? I

bet you would have more MIG's and supporters if you fought for a recall instead of just sitting on your soapbox pointing fingers and blaming everybody else for your shortfalls.

AGAIN the union has zero power to tell the company when and how many pilots they have to staff.

And where were you while negotiations were going on,......oh you were riding on the coattails of other pilots while sitting on your soapbox.

 

[1folinepilot]

AGAIN the union has zero power to tell the company when and how many pilots they have to staff.

And where were you while negotiations were going on,......oh you were riding on the coattails of other pilots while sitting on your soapbox.

The company has a contractual obligation with the Union for staffing levels and the Union has an obligation to it's members to verify and enforce that obligation through audits of the company books. Or are you saying that the Union should just take the company's word on the staffing levels. Is the Union just going to take the company's word on the bonus too?

On your second question, I was right in line with everybody else flying the line and following the Union's direction. Where were you? Were you out being a hell bent radical, giving the rest of us a bad name and running off owners? Its a toss up who ran off more owners, Sh!tfinger or you and your radical buddies.

 

[dime line]

The company has a contractual obligation with the Union for staffing levels

and the Union has an obligation to it's members to verify and enforce that obligation through audits of the company books. Or are you saying that the Union should just take the company's word on the staffing levels. Is the Union just going to take the company's word on the bonus too?

On your second question, I was right in line with everybody else flying the line and following the Union's direction. Where were you? Were you out being a hell bent radical, giving the rest of us a bad name and running off owners? Its a toss up who ran off more owners, Sh!tfinger or you and your radical buddies.

Please quote the contract where it said the company has to have "X" number of pilots on payroll at any given time?
I havent seen that one, but could be wrong.

Oh and your last comment, I never broke the plane to write it up. So you can go f.. your self, for that comment. The plane was written up when it was found. So if you did anything else, thats not "following the Union Direction" , which makes you part of the "Hell Bent Radical" side of the problem you talk about.