Flops Pilots going after their own

[CA1900]

What does a flops pilot who sincerely does not want a union do?

He becomes a fee payer, or he finds other employment.

 

[wacoflyr]

He becomes a fee payer, or he finds other employment.

So, there is no tolerance for another opinion. If it is a closed shop, okay, he should pay from a set point (contract?) forward. But to make this guy pay from '06? You have no tolerance, none whatsoever, with the fact that he does not agree? Really? He didn't agree with you regarding the need for a union, but you think he has to pay for what he did not believe in? I'm sorry. Ya lost me. I don't believe in strong arming people. This isn't even a veiled threat. You just are threatening the livelyhood of these pilots, plain and simple. So how is that different from what flops pilots said their management did? Honest question.

 

[CA1900]

...but you think he has to pay for what he did not believe in?

It's not a question of opinion, of disagreement, or what he "believes in." It's a statement of fact: on the day that Flops became a union shop, dues were required as a condition of continued employment.

You asked what a Flops pilot who "does not want a union" is to do. I laid out his choices: pay dues and become a member, or pay a service fee for germane expenses. If he refuses to do either, he will ultimately find himself unemployed. I'm not threatening anybody. I'm stating the facts.

 

[gunfyter]

1900,

I think we are talking about dues before the CBA became effective.

 

[wacoflyr]

Okay, it is a closed shop. Fine. From the date of the contract. Why should our independent pilot have to pay back to '06, to fund a fight he didn't believe in? Forward, I get it. But back to '06? Nope. And by publishing a list with a union letter that paints these pilots as people to be punished by their fellow pilots, the union is resorting to tactics that are best left to the lower forms of management. Once again, I cheered your contract. I wish you guys the best. But this tactic, IMHO, is beneath you, and simply smells.

 

[CA1900]

The point is that from the date Flops became a union shop, the expenses of negotiating that first contract should be borne by everyone who benefits.

Your "independent pilot" ceased to be independent when the union was voted in. Why should the rest of the pilot group have to eat his share of the expenses?

 

[wacoflyr]

Your "independent pilot" ceased to be independent when the union was voted in. Why should the rest of the pilot group have to eat his share of the expenses?

They chose to share expenses with like-minded pilots. Not all pilots were like-minded. By holding other pilots hostage for past disagreements, you are saying these pilots never had the right to disagree with the union, even before it was voted in. Now that the company has a contract, sure, he should pay. But not before.

Suppose the union was not voted in. Would our pilot have the right to be upset at those who wanted a union for making things uncomfortable for everybody? Of course not. The pilots who want a union have every right to try to form one. The pilots who don't want a union have every right not to join one, until the contract says it is mandatory to do so.

Equal rights. It's a great idea when you agree with what it implies. It sure makes you look like a hypocrite when you try to buck it.

 

[onetimer]

The list that is coming out on Feb 1 will be of MIGS. If your mane is on the list than you have paid all dues since day 1 of the fight. Once a person has paid all back dues then their name will go on the list.

If your name is not on the list than ******************** will hit the fan!!!

 

[Helmsalee]

CBA ratification had nothing to do with it. When a group votes in a union, they are represented by the union from that time forward and owe dues (or fees) at that point. Do you think negotiating a contract doesn't cost money? This is not new. This issue (people who are against a union) has been played out many times over decades and the law is firmly established. Some of you may not like it, but that's the way it is.

BTW, if FLOPS union wants to really play hardball (and eventually they probably will have to), they will start termination proceedings against those who refuse to pay.

Helm

 

[wacoflyr]

BTW, if FLOPS union wants to really play hardball (and eventually they probably will have to), they will start termination proceedings against those who refuse to pay.

Helm

To me, this is no different than a management who terminates a pilot that they can't 'push.'

But, like I said before, this is not my fight. I view this action as hypocritical, but hey, it's your company. Knock yourselves out.