Flops Pilots going after their own

[CA1900]

The point is that from the date Flops became a union shop, the expenses of negotiating that first contract should be borne by everyone who benefits.

Your "independent pilot" ceased to be independent when the union was voted in. Why should the rest of the pilot group have to eat his share of the expenses?

 

[wacoflyr]

Your "independent pilot" ceased to be independent when the union was voted in. Why should the rest of the pilot group have to eat his share of the expenses?

They chose to share expenses with like-minded pilots. Not all pilots were like-minded. By holding other pilots hostage for past disagreements, you are saying these pilots never had the right to disagree with the union, even before it was voted in. Now that the company has a contract, sure, he should pay. But not before.

Suppose the union was not voted in. Would our pilot have the right to be upset at those who wanted a union for making things uncomfortable for everybody? Of course not. The pilots who want a union have every right to try to form one. The pilots who don't want a union have every right not to join one, until the contract says it is mandatory to do so.

Equal rights. It's a great idea when you agree with what it implies. It sure makes you look like a hypocrite when you try to buck it.

 

[onetimer]

The list that is coming out on Feb 1 will be of MIGS. If your mane is on the list than you have paid all dues since day 1 of the fight. Once a person has paid all back dues then their name will go on the list.

If your name is not on the list than ******************** will hit the fan!!!

 

[Helmsalee]

CBA ratification had nothing to do with it. When a group votes in a union, they are represented by the union from that time forward and owe dues (or fees) at that point. Do you think negotiating a contract doesn't cost money? This is not new. This issue (people who are against a union) has been played out many times over decades and the law is firmly established. Some of you may not like it, but that's the way it is.

BTW, if FLOPS union wants to really play hardball (and eventually they probably will have to), they will start termination proceedings against those who refuse to pay.

Helm

 

[wacoflyr]

BTW, if FLOPS union wants to really play hardball (and eventually they probably will have to), they will start termination proceedings against those who refuse to pay.

Helm

To me, this is no different than a management who terminates a pilot that they can't 'push.'

But, like I said before, this is not my fight. I view this action as hypocritical, but hey, it's your company. Knock yourselves out.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

list

Flops pilots saw first hand a great number of tactics done by the lower forms of management. I don’t agree that this is a “tactic.”

The request had been made repeatedly over a course of several years (by many of the pilots) to the Union leadership for a list. This is not a knee-jerk or careless action. In fact, the Union leadership exercised a considerable amount of restraint by delaying publishing a list, allowing all Flops pilots time to experience the Union. In short, all Flops pilots have had years to recognize, contribute, & participate as a MIG.

The list to be published is a factual list & not based on fantasy or speculation or innuendo.

All active Flops pilots are reaping the benefits of a contract, including pay raises… benefits, pay & pay raises that two hundred furloughed pilots are not receiving.

Some non-Migs pilots may well be labeled “independent” or “indifferent”. Others are anti-union pilots and as the label suggests are actively working against the Union, through both word and action/inaction. I believe it’s important for all Union members to understand who those individuals are & what impact they can have upon the Union & the company.

I applaud the leadership’s decision to publish this list.

 

[T-1GUY]

To kill a rat, first you must think like a rat....

 

[993_Pilot]

While I may not agree with them, I personally have more respect for the pilot who stands up for their beliefs (even if it is against the union), than the Chicken$h!t pilots who are MIGS, but don't want anyone in management to know it, so don't wear the IBT logo badge, do work 14+ hr. duty days, and will volunteer for OT, etc.
No more pretending or hiding. I am looking forward to seeing the list

 

[jonjuan]

To kill a rat, first you must think like a rat....

Huh? You mean think like a cat?

 

[fracjack]

While I may not agree with them, I personally have more respect for the pilot who stands up for their beliefs (even if it is against the union), than the Chicken$h!t pilots who are MIGS, but don't want anyone in management to know it, so don't wear the IBT logo badge, do work 14+ hr. duty days, and will volunteer for OT, etc.
No more pretending or hiding. I am looking forward to seeing the list

Now there is a pilot who knows. Contract is clear about service fees like it or not ,but joining the MIGS club is optional. Like it or not the union must represent a service fee paying crewmember. The consequences for not paying the fees are clear and if anyone doesn't understand that they deserve termination. List the ChickinSh!ts too. That will never happen since the union won't acknowledge that to save face. The smart MIGS will know the difference(fortunately there are many I'm sure). They usually never post here.

 

[T-1GUY]

To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy. — Sun Tzu

 

[NoJoy]

The man who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself- Nietzche

 

[shanes123]

Why cant all the anti union guys who dont support the union just not receive any benefit from it..They dont pay dues and in return they receive no union protections, raise, benefits, or anything else that your contract has to offer? Let them stay at there current pay scale or negotiate with the company directly on there pay? Keep them at will to work employees? I am being very serious about this..I would like a serious answer to this question..

 

[OldCrow]

Why cant all the anti union guys who dont support the union just not receive any benefit from it..They dont pay dues and in return they receive no union protections, raise, benefits, or anything else that your contract has to offer? Let them stay at there current pay scale or negotiate with the company directly on there pay? Keep them at will to work employees? I am being very serious about this..I would like a serious answer to this question..

Well, because they, the anti-union pilots, would get FAR better pay, schedule, and benefits, by the stroke of SFO (or something like it). The rest of the Pilot group, well a few, would go "Wow, look at the grass on that side of the fence!!!". Management, all the while loving the new turn in the tide, fully knowing that when they have captured enough sheep with the bait would send a Blackberry message/s and slowly start taking it all away.....until the Union comes back, to the loud bleeting of angry sheep, to fix it, again.

 

[shanes123]

Old Crow..I dont think management would give them more money and I dont think that many people are that stupid to give up a contract for a few cents if they did..But I could be wrong and I guess we will never know